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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Sent the formal rep across that Hippocrates suggested, just added the following "Lack of advance warning/adequate signage when approaching from the side road, further exacerbated due to detrimental weather conditions and traffic conditions."

Although Im a tad bit worried if I've gone past the 28 days (EN dated 13th Feb, I believe 28 days was yesterday but I sent it right now, 30 past midnight).

Also the TH website is a bit odd I clicked make formal rep but it took me to the same page as a informal rep (see attached), so couldn't tell if this will be classed as a formal rep or not :/

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: LondonTraveller84 on March 13, 2025, 12:35:26 am

Also the TH website is a bit odd I clicked make formal rep but it took me to the same page as a informal rep (see attached), so couldn't tell if this will be classed as a formal rep or not :/

The form is headed Challenge/Representation

Challenge is the proper name for informal reps
Representations are made against ENs and NtOs

So the same form serves for both kinds.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2025, 11:31:36 am by John U.K. »
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #32 on: »
16th is deadline as deemed served on Monday 17th February.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #33 on: »
Quote from: LondonTraveller84 on March 12, 2025, 12:02:31 am
It doesn't seem to say the sign is required or mandatory, rather it 'may be' and 'most likely'? or am i being too kind and innocent here. Although I do agree with the fact that the sign does seem more for the main road, rather then side road.

The guidance here is clear and I think given the layout an adjudicator would take a dim view of it not being followed. 
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #34 on: »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 13, 2025, 12:33:33 pm
Quote from: LondonTraveller84 on March 12, 2025, 12:02:31 am
It doesn't seem to say the sign is required or mandatory, rather it 'may be' and 'most likely'? or am i being too kind and innocent here. Although I do agree with the fact that the sign does seem more for the main road, rather then side road.

The guidance here is clear and I think given the layout an adjudicator would take a dim view of it not being followed.
Indeed, especially if they cannot explain why they have not followed the TSM.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: Hippocrates on March 13, 2025, 10:23:22 am
16th is deadline as deemed served on Monday 17th February.

Date of EN served is 13th on the letter? I assume i would have received it a day or two later, but it states from the mentioned on the letter - in which case 12th was the deadline :O

17th is the notice for my other PCN, seperate thread. :)
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #36 on: »
Weekends are not counted.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #37 on: »
Hi All,

as expected another rejection after the NTO, onto the ajudication appeal it goes

Their response: https://imgur.com/a/ShS5w5E

THis time shall I now reply with further information, and hte pictures I had attached showing the angle of the signage and a car turning etc?

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #38 on: »
No point in replying to them. It is Tribunal time. If you want me to represent you please PM me and I will do the rest. Received and replied.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2025, 08:09:18 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #39 on: »
Appeal filed.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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 ;D Took 30 seconds as I hoped it would. Mr HMG does not approve when councils do not attend! Decision tomorrow.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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@cp8759 "Like shooting fish in a barrel"  ;D
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 11, 2025, 03:56:54 pm
@cp8759 "Like shooting fish in a barrel"  ;D
Actually it's rats, which seems more appropriate !
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 10, 2025, 11:08:35 pm
;D Took 30 seconds as I hoped it would. Mr HMG does not approve when councils do not attend! Decision tomorrow.

Was amazing having you represent me, and learnt a fair bit and a eye opener, because average people like me would use some basic reasons, like the sign could not be seen properly, however you used technical reasoning and shall I say reasons that one would question or doubt (if the first time)
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