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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Sent the formal rep across that Hippocrates suggested, just added the following "Lack of advance warning/adequate signage when approaching from the side road, further exacerbated due to detrimental weather conditions and traffic conditions."

Although Im a tad bit worried if I've gone past the 28 days (EN dated 13th Feb, I believe 28 days was yesterday but I sent it right now, 30 past midnight).

Also the TH website is a bit odd I clicked make formal rep but it took me to the same page as a informal rep (see attached), so couldn't tell if this will be classed as a formal rep or not :/

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: LondonTraveller84 on March 13, 2025, 12:35:26 am

Also the TH website is a bit odd I clicked make formal rep but it took me to the same page as a informal rep (see attached), so couldn't tell if this will be classed as a formal rep or not :/

The form is headed Challenge/Representation

Challenge is the proper name for informal reps
Representations are made against ENs and NtOs

So the same form serves for both kinds.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2025, 11:31:36 am by John U.K. »
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #32 on: »
16th is deadline as deemed served on Monday 17th February.
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #33 on: »
Quote from: LondonTraveller84 on March 12, 2025, 12:02:31 am
It doesn't seem to say the sign is required or mandatory, rather it 'may be' and 'most likely'? or am i being too kind and innocent here. Although I do agree with the fact that the sign does seem more for the main road, rather then side road.

The guidance here is clear and I think given the layout an adjudicator would take a dim view of it not being followed. 
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #34 on: »
Quote from: stamfordman on March 13, 2025, 12:33:33 pm
Quote from: LondonTraveller84 on March 12, 2025, 12:02:31 am
It doesn't seem to say the sign is required or mandatory, rather it 'may be' and 'most likely'? or am i being too kind and innocent here. Although I do agree with the fact that the sign does seem more for the main road, rather then side road.

The guidance here is clear and I think given the layout an adjudicator would take a dim view of it not being followed.
Indeed, especially if they cannot explain why they have not followed the TSM.
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #35 on: »
Quote from: Hippocrates on March 13, 2025, 10:23:22 am
16th is deadline as deemed served on Monday 17th February.

Date of EN served is 13th on the letter? I assume i would have received it a day or two later, but it states from the mentioned on the letter - in which case 12th was the deadline :O

17th is the notice for my other PCN, seperate thread. :)
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #36 on: »
Weekends are not counted.
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #37 on: »
Hi All,

as expected another rejection after the NTO, onto the ajudication appeal it goes

Their response: https://imgur.com/a/ShS5w5E

THis time shall I now reply with further information, and hte pictures I had attached showing the angle of the signage and a car turning etc?

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #38 on: »
No point in replying to them. It is Tribunal time. If you want me to represent you please PM me and I will do the rest. Received and replied.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2025, 08:09:18 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
« Reply #39 on: »
Appeal filed.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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 ;D Took 30 seconds as I hoped it would. Mr HMG does not approve when councils do not attend! Decision tomorrow.
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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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@cp8759 "Like shooting fish in a barrel"  ;D
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 11, 2025, 03:56:54 pm
@cp8759 "Like shooting fish in a barrel"  ;D
Actually it's rats, which seems more appropriate !
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Re: Hackney Bus Lane - Hackney Road, no signs
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Quote from: Hippocrates on June 10, 2025, 11:08:35 pm
;D Took 30 seconds as I hoped it would. Mr HMG does not approve when councils do not attend! Decision tomorrow.

Was amazing having you represent me, and learnt a fair bit and a eye opener, because average people like me would use some basic reasons, like the sign could not be seen properly, however you used technical reasoning and shall I say reasons that one would question or doubt (if the first time)
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