Author Topic: Greenwich Council - Bus Lane Infraction, Code 34J @CHARLTON CHURCH LANE JNC WITH BARNEY CLOSE (144684)  (Read 929 times)

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Hi @Hippocrates and @cp8759,

I received a PCN from Royal Borough of Greenwich letter dated 10/01/2025, regarding a Bus Lane infraction at the start of the month [04/01/2025].
I would greatly appreciate your suggestions and advice on how to proceed with this matter. Thank you so much for your help!


Video Here:




PCN Details:
Vehicle registration number   EF55NBA
Penalty Charge Notice   GR22852870





Street View: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vmwRmwWpbBir9wdW6

I would greatly appreciate your suggestions and advice on how to proceed with this matter. Thank you so much for your help!




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Bus lane reasons
These are the common reasons relating to bus lanes which we receive queries for

Select a reason:
 I am a Blue Badge holder and I was looking for disabled parking 
 I did not realise I was in a bus lane 
 I entered the bus lane to avoid congestion 
 I stopped in the bus lane due to my medical condition 
 I was avoiding an accident 
 I was following a diversion / was directed into the bus lane 
 I was following my sat-nav / I was lost / I'm not from the area 
 I was in the bus lane, but it wasn't in operation at the time 
 I was in the bus lane, but not for a substantial distance 
 I was making way for an emergency vehicle 
 I was picking up / dropping off a passenger at the train station 
 I was picking up / dropping off a passenger 
 I was taking advice from others 
 I was unaware of the rules 
 I was unaware that couriers were not permitted in the bus lane 
 I was unfamiliar with the term "Bus Gate" 
 My vehicle is a taxi 
 My vehicle type is permitted to drive in bus lanes 
 There was a road closure so the bus lane was not in operation 
 There was nowhere to turn around and avoid the bus gate 
 There were no buses in the bus lane at the time 
Other reasons
Non bus lane specific reasons that will appear in Bus Lane context

Select a reason:
 A friend / family member recently passed away 
 I didn't see / understand the signage 
 I have already paid the PCN 
 I was not at the location on the day 
 I was not the driver 
 I was not the owner / keeper of the vehicle 
 I was unaware that a PCN had been issued as I've been away 
 My vehicle had broken down 
 My vehicle was cloned 
 My vehicle was stolen 
 The owner of the vehicle has passed away 
 The vehicle was on hire to someone else 
None of the above
If none of the above reasons apply, and you wish to challenge your PCN, please select belo
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Received your PM. The rest of the PCN please and I would use the challenge as per the link you sent me in your message.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/royal-borough-of-greenwich-bus-lane-infraction-code-34j-being-in-a-bus-lane-char/msg19550/#msg19550

Try this:

Dear Greenwich

I challenge this PCN.................as follows

1. The alleged infraction is de minimis and the video does not show the vehicle cross a solid white line.
2. The legend Bus Lane (1048) is incorrectly positioned.
3. The white line is substantially broken in two places which clearly demonstrates a failure to maintain the signage according to LATOR.
4. The actual 959(B) sign is questionable with an extra plate at the bottom of it.
5. There is no evidence of an advanced  warning signage in the video (958).
6. I put you to strict proof that the camera is properly approved.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN. Should you do not agree to do so, I shall take the matter to the Tribunal, require your attendance and an explanation as to why you have departed from the signage as advised at page 91 in the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter Three.

Yours

Registered keeper
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« Last Edit: January 17, 2025, 11:55:12 am by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"