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Representation Rejected: GX19616622- J31
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I received a PCN (TFL) for entering and stopping in a yellow box in London. I made a representation requesting cctv footage as I remember the traffic was changing leading me to get stuck outside the box. I was under the impression I would have enough space to enter. The CCTV was recently sent to me via post in dvd. I did not see a letter of rejection yet (wondering if it got lost)? Do I have any grounds to make an appeal based on the footage? If so will the fine increas? ( money is problematic at the moment).

Your advice would be much appreciated

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Please read this and update your thread accordingly.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
We need some solid information or no meaningful advice can be given.

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Location: homerton high street/ homerton ambulannce exit

Authority: TFL London;

Appeal included: no sufficient evidenxe procided to show junction was entered when entrance was not clear noting the exit may have been impeded by traffic/ pedestrians.

Noted that I was only stopped for 7 seconds causing no obstructions to vehicles wishing to enter/exit the station.

Requested CCTV evidence.

CCTV video evidence provided:

https://imgur.com/a/gSos391

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« Last Edit: January 13, 2025, 11:08:30 pm by Amsbee »

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The video shows you entering the box behind a moving vehicle that then stops beyond the box leaving you with insufficient room to exit the box. As far as I can see the contravention is made out.

This is a well-known location for people getting PCNs and appeared fairly regularly in the now-defunct Pepipoo forum. 7 seconds is unlikely to be regarded as de minimis, certainly not by TfL, and I doubt by an adjudicator at London Tribunals.

Can you please post-up the PCN as already requested. Also it might be prudent to find out when/if they have sent a response to your representations.  Can you please post your reps as well.

There are flaws in TfL management of the enforcement process, but people more up-to-speed on this aspect should be contributing soon, but please help us to help you by posting all the documents. All you have to redact is name and address.

The extract from the TfL PCN status enquiry shows reps rejected. The amount showing is £160 which is the full PCN penalty. This will increase by 50% if you don't pay the £160 when they serve a Charge Certificate making the amount £240. You could register an appeal at London Tribunals before the CC is served. However, I don't think you have a winning case, to be honest, but see what the others say.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2025, 11:01:20 pm by Incandescent »

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Thank you so much.

I uploaded the PCN letter. Apparently they sent the letter of rejection on 24 December but I did not find it in the mail. I phoned today to ask them to email it to me. They said they would post it again and e-mail it so I hope to receive more information soon.

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Thank you so much.

I uploaded the PCN letter. Apparently they sent the letter of rejection on 24 December but I did not find it in the mail. I phoned today to ask them to email it to me. They said they would post it again and e-mail it so I hope to receive more information soon.
Mail going astray, even 1st Class mail seems to be a big problem at the moment if this forum's experience is any guide. Email not so much. If they rejected your reps, I would anticipate they re-offered the discount, if you paid within 14 days of letter date. Clearly you are over that now.

If you were minded to pay, I would contact them again to see if they will accept the discounted amount, although I'm only guessing that they re-offered it. If you want to stand your ground, you can register an appeal at London Tribunals, This freezes the process until the hearing, and means the penalty will then not increase beyond the £160 which they show on their website view that you posted. Best if you don't get to the Charge Certificate stage.

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I spoke to someone today and asked them to read the letter. In a nutshell I am still at fault for not having a clear exit when entering. They also offer no discount as my representation was not initially made in that discount 14 day period since receiving the letter. I asked whether I would be able to raise this with London Tribunal online and they said they wouldn't know.

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If they won't reoffer the discount, then it is a complete no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals, because the penalty remains the same and there are no additional costs. Also if you win, you pay nothing, but the council will still have had to pay the adjudication fee and incur costs of preparing the evidence pack

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Yes that was the plan! However, i have no letter or rejection and time is running out (I have until 18th). Can I write an appeal without the info on the rejection letter from TFL?

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Register direct with London Tribunals. Let us know what happens.

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I can't regidter without the rejection letter. Rejection letter not yet arrived and they won't freeze the charge. If I go to tribunal, will they revert back to original charge due to letter delays? Also, does my car being written off impact any of this?