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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #45 on: »
Adjourned until 16th Jan 14:30. I will ask for a telephone hearing as I wont be in London then.
If there is someone available to represent me, I would be very grateful.
I will do it and have sent an email.
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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #46 on: »
I'm out of the country til Monday but will do it then and email you hippo

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #47 on: »
Cheers.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #48 on: »
This is the NTO



The deemed date of service is  the 10th October, not the day it was delivered.

I think there is mileage in this argument.  I need to remind myself of winning appeals on this conflation in the full knowledge not all adjudicators will accept it. But, 3 days is a substantial time differential.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2024, 09:28:49 pm by Hippocrates »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #49 on: »
There are 42 days between 19th August and 10th October, don't they only have 28 days for NTK?

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #50 on: »
No up to 6 months


Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #51 on: »
Thanks to Pastmybest and the OP:

Introduction:

I am appealing the parking penalty issued to me for allegedly parking on the footpath on 19th August 2023 at John Harrison Way. I was issued a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on 19th August 2023. I have consistently maintained that I parked within a designated parking bay on the carriageway. The authorities claim otherwise, but there is no evidence to support their position. In fact, the available evidence, including signage, regulations, and the very layout of the parking area, clearly demonstrates that I parked lawfully.
 
Procedural Impropriety:

Furthermore, the PCN itself contains a procedural error that invalidates it. Schedule 2 paragraph 2 states
(d)that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention occurred,
However, the PCN I received states that payment is due within 28 days from the date of service, not the date of the alleged contravention. This discrepancy constitutes a procedural impropriety that renders the PCN invalid. My case is further supported by several successful appeals, such as: 2230306124, 22230325752, 2230359732, 223035970A, and 2230359721. These cases demonstrate that the Tribunal has  consistently ruled in favour of appellants when the PCN incorrectly states the payment deadline.
 
Parking Bays:

In addition to the procedural error, the council’s argument that I was parked on the footpath is unsubstantiated. They claim the kerb is marked with a vented brick, but the area where I parked shares the exact same layout as several other designated parking bays along the street. These bays, numbering at least 20, all have vented bricks at the front and kerb stones at the rear. This consistency strongly suggests that the area where I parked was intended for vehicle parking, not as part of the footpath.
 
No Entry Sign:

Further supporting my claim is the presence of a "No Entry" sign directly behind where I parked. Typically, such signs indicate a restriction for vehicles on a specific lane or area. In this case, the sign's placement strongly suggests that the area behind it, including where I parked, is part of the accessible carriageway, not the restricted footpath.
 
CPZ Regulations and Markings:

As the location falls within a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ), the relevant regulations of the Local Authorities Traffic Orders (LATOR) 1996 apply. Section 18 of these regulations stipulates that every part of the carriageway within a CPZ must be clearly marked with yellow lines or other designated parking restrictions. The conspicuous absence of any such markings or restrictions in the area where I parked further underscores that it was intended as a designated parking bay on the carriageway.
 
Conclusion:

Based on the foregoing evidence, the clear procedural error in the PCN, and the absence of evidence supporting the authorities' claim, it is clear that the parking penalty issued to me was in error. I respectfully request that the tribunal overturn the penalty and find in my favour.


Any more views most welcome.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #52 on: »
Checked those cases.  Deary me!   :-[ Are they relevant?
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #53 on: »
Do you mean these 2230306124, 22230325752, 2230359732, 223035970A, and 2230359721? I copied them from the draft that was emailed.

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #54 on: »
Yes.  I will do another.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #55 on: »
Hold fire Hippo i haves asked CP and Mr M for some relevant cases I know there are some. As per my email I was a bet worn after a 30 hour drive and didn't check properly

Hippo see email 2 LT cases and a link to a TPT one all applicable I have checked
« Last Edit: January 12, 2024, 04:29:25 pm by Pastmybest »

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #56 on: »
Too late.  Mr M has e mailed me a case. 2230448785

Introduction:

I am appealing the parking penalty issued to me for allegedly parking on the footpath on 19th August 2023 at John Harrison Way. I was issued a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on 19th August 2023. I have consistently maintained that I parked within a designated parking bay on the carriageway. The authorities claim otherwise, but there is no evidence to support their position. In fact, the available evidence, including signage, regulations, and the very layout of the parking area, clearly demonstrates that I parked lawfully.

Procedural Improprieties:

Furthermore, the PCN itself contains a procedural error that invalidates it. Schedule 2 paragraph 2 states
(d)that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention occurred,
However, the PCN I received states that payment is due within 28 days from the date of service, not the date of the alleged contravention. This discrepancy constitutes a procedural impropriety that renders the PCN invalid. My case is further supported by the attached allowed appeal which refers to the law provided at
 
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/71/schedule/2

In addition, the Notice to Owner conflates the date of service with the date of delivery.  The date of its issue was 6th October so that the legally deemed date of service is the 10th;  however, the appellant received it on the 13th October.  It is irrelevant whether any prejudice has occurred. Furthermore, the date of receipt begs the question of whether it was sent by first class mail as it should.

Parking Bays:

In addition to the procedural error, the council’s argument that I was parked on the footpath is unsubstantiated. They claim the kerb is marked with a vented brick, but the area where I parked shares the exact same layout as several other designated parking bays along the street. These bays, numbering at least 20, all have vented bricks at the front and kerb stones at the rear. This consistency strongly suggests that the area where I parked was intended for vehicle parking, not as part of the footpath.

No Entry Sign:

Further supporting my claim is the presence of a "No Entry" sign directly behind where I parked. Typically, such signs indicate a restriction for vehicles on a specific lane or area. In this case, the sign's placement strongly suggests that the area behind it, including where I parked, is part of the accessible carriageway, not the restricted footpath.

CPZ Regulations and Markings:

As the location falls within a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ), the relevant regulations of the Local Authorities Traffic Orders (LATOR) 1996 apply. Referring to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18/made  every part of the carriageway within a CPZ must be clearly marked with yellow lines or other designated parking restrictions. The conspicuous absence of any such markings or restrictions in the area where I parked further underscores that it was intended as a designated parking bay on the carriageway.

Conclusion:

Based on the foregoing evidence, the clear procedural error in the PCN, and the absence of evidence supporting the authorities' claim, it is clear that the parking penalty issued to me was in error. I respectfully request that the tribunal overturn the penalty and find in my favour.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2024, 04:22:53 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #57 on: »
Hold fire Hippo i haves asked CP and Mr M for some relevant cases I know there are some. As per my email I was a bet worn after a 30 hour drive and didn't check properly
No worries.  I must familiarise myself with the amended parking regulations!  I have too many cases this week!

It's been sent now and I do not want to change it again - at least in writing.  I can always elaborate and/or amend in the hearing.

This like the old days when I started:  a truly collegiate effort!
« Last Edit: January 12, 2024, 04:27:11 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #58 on: »
Hold fire Hippo i haves asked CP and Mr M for some relevant cases I know there are some. As per my email I was a bet worn after a 30 hour drive and didn't check properly
No worries.  I must familiarise myself with the amended parking regulations!  I have too many cases this week!

It's been sent now and I do not want to change it again - at least in writing.  I can always elaborate and/or amend in the hearing.

This like the old days when I started:  a truly collegiate effort!

Yes something I miss these days I honed my knowledge working with you Bogsy dancing dad and HCA

Re: Greenwich - Code 624 one or more wheels over footpath - John Harrison Way
« Reply #59 on: »
Thanks for the other cases PMB.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r