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Hi all,

Wondering what happens next on my appeal. I received a PCN that I drove in a bus lane in Greenwich (Royal Borough of) on 27 Oct 2023. However, the photographic evidence is for a different reg plate: mine is GV but the photo shows GY, (distorted because of a dark bolt holding the reg plate) rest of the characters are the same.

I was on the Wirral at the time of the incident, 240 mi from the supposed bus lane. I have Google location history and I have telematics insurance showing I was driving between there and Manchester at the time.

The car in the photo was a different make and model to mine, which is clear from the shape and position of the rear lights.

I submitted these points of evidence. Do you think my appeal is going to be successful? When and how should I hear?

The person who did it was very brazen about it by the video so I'm also anxious of further notices.

Grateful for any reassurance.

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Re: Greenwich, bus lane PCN, misidentified reg plate
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Screenshot from telematics showing I was on the Wirral at the time.

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Appeal text submitted

Case number: GRxxxxxxx
Vehicle registration: GVxxxxx
Contravention: 34J - VEHICLE SEEN CONTRAVENING BUS LANE REG
Date and time of contravention: 27/10/2023 18:55

Reason for appeal: 'Any other reason'

Your answers:

-Question 1 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why you think your PCN should be cancelled'
        Answer : '1. The car shown in the evidence photo and video is not my car. The car shown is a different model from mine, mine is a Kia Picanto. This is evident from the shape of rear lights (evidence item 1)
2. The registration plate has been misidentified, as it is clear in the photo provided by you that it is GYxxxxx (Y not V for the second letter) (evidence item 2). GYxxxxx is a grey BMW 520, which does match that shape and colour.
3. From 18.31 to 19.39 on 27/10/2023, my car and I were en route from postcode CH64 6SB (Neston on the Wirral) to (redacted, my house), which is 240 mi from the indicated bus lane. I have Google location history and a telematics insurance from Hastings Direct that shows this. I was with another person in my car (redacted, boyfriend) who was also in the car and can provide a statement (evidence item 3)'
-Question 2 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to support your case?'
        Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 3 : 'Please upload a copy of your supporting document(s)'
        Answer : 'Files

Re: Greenwich, bus lane 34J, misidentified reg plate
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Not much more to say really.
Just see what comes back and if needs be if they reject, register an appeal to adjudicators.

TBH, you've put in much more then I would have bothered with.
My take would have been:-
This is not my car but one which your evidence shows has a registration plate GY*****
As this PCN has been issued in error, I look forward to your cancellation.

What you've sent is fine and covers it all so no worries.
Don't be tempted to pay it, let us know what happens pls
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As posted on the other site, an offer of representation has been made. ;)  ;)
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Greenwich, bus lane 34J, misidentified reg plate
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Don't forget if they reject you can't appeal yet: you'll have to wait for the enforcement notice, then make formal representations against that, then if they reject again you can take it to the tribunal. I'd recommend you take Hippocrates's offer of representation at the tribunal stage.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Greenwich, bus lane 34J, misidentified reg plate
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No love lost between Greenwich and Hippocrates - whoever he is!  ::)
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r