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Greenwich 52M PCN - Royal Hill SE10/Prior St SE10
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Hi all,

I’m hoping you can help with a PCN I’ve just received.


I received a PCN in the post dated 23 December, which arrived on 16 January, for a 52M contravention on Royal Hill SE10 / Prior Street SE10.


From what I recall that evening, the warning signage was very unclear and I wasn’t confident which direction was permitted. I’m not familiar with the area, and it was very dark at the time, which made the signage particularly difficult to see. The images provided only show a sign positioned away from me, and I don’t recall seeing any sign indicating that I was entering a restriction (especially one that made it clear which direction was okay to go).



Based on the evidence they’ve supplied, there doesn’t appear to be any clear signage visible to me as the only sign is facing the camera and im heading towards it. I’ll add the images they’ve provided below for reference.


I’m hoping this may be grounds to challenge the PCN, as there doesn’t seem to be proof that adequate signage was visible. Any help on this would be really helpful.

I was using Google Maps at the time, which directed me along this route from Blackheath. I’m really confused as to why Google Maps wouldn’t have flagged this restriction, suggested an alternative route, or provided any warning.

One road I almost went down had a man in the middle shouting to stop if they don't live here and saying to turn around to not get a ticket (but i did anyway :(. It's nuts that signage is so bad that a man feels it necessary to help drivers be aware of the scheme.



Video:
https://image2url.com/r2/default/videos/1768821605290-b27cece3-704a-4fab-ac7d-bd6374a67bab.mp4

Image 1:
https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1768821673769-158426e3-9417-472e-9438-4bf587221eb1.jfif

Image 2:
https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1768821684910-30ff3c70-b6be-4f7f-b1fe-2e7e7ea15b9e.jfif

Image 3:
https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1768821695295-535f7132-a37a-4fb6-aefe-b5b105840d44.jfif

PCN:
https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1768821261855-d554f545-be3c-42b6-b01c-0f961d891876.jpg 

https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1768821279607-fe0b42e9-e244-46dd-ad3b-71367c7f17bc.jpg
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Re: Greenwich 52M PCN - Royal Hill SE10/Prior St SE10
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I was using Google Maps at the time, which directed me along this route from Blackheath. I’m really confused as to why Google Maps wouldn’t have flagged this restriction, suggested an alternative route, or provided any warning.
I call your case a "satnav-assisted PCN". These things are never up-to-date, and it is very unwise to rely on them in London and other large cities.

Can you please post a GSV link to the location. I note that the video doesn't show you passing a sign facing you, its for traffic the opposite way. At adjudication this sometimes wins because the council cannot prove the signs were there on the date of the alleged contravention. However, adjudication means the discount option is lost, so more of a risk.

On a positive note, it has been noted that Greenwich council seem to be in considerable chaos in their parking and traffic enforcement department, and have not contested some recent appeals at London Tribunals.Whether this is still the case, I don't know.

Re: Greenwich 52M PCN - Royal Hill SE10/Prior St SE10
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Hiya,

Yes, here's the GSV. Unfortunately, it's not up to date and doesn't show the signage and I'm unable to return to check.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/FKnw9aTqgnPcTT7Q8
« Last Edit: Today at 12:49:25 pm by Greenwich PCN hater »

Re: Greenwich 52M PCN - Royal Hill SE10/Prior St SE10
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Yes, what a pity GSV is only up to 2024.

I would submit fairly short reps of two sentences, basically that the photos and videos does not show you passing a sign against your direction of travel. Second sentence to demand cancellation of the PCN on the basis there is no evidence of the alleged contravention.