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Gordondale Rd/ Lucien Rd SW19 MERTON code 53J
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Oh noooooo, it seems I missed the sign as I turned onto Lucien Rd last month.

Any idea if I can walk free from this pcn?

Please kindly advise

Thanks in advance

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Looks like this is a fairly new restriction because it isn't shown on the latest GSV view of 2022. The junction view is 2018 !!

The usual way to fight these is on inadeqate or even missing signage, but with nothing on GSV, you will need to do some legwork and take photos of the signs as you approach the junction. Are you able to do this ?

There is a video on-line on their website; this is the sole evidence of the contravention. I looked on their website and the video shows you turning right out of Gordondale Road into Lucien Road. The signs showing "End of pedestrian and cycle zone" can be seen. The "Flying Motorbike" signs barring your entry will be on the other side of these.  So what we need to know is, is there any advance warning sign as you approach the T-junction.  If there isn't, your case to take them to adjudication is much, much stronger, because the signs are right on the junction as you turn when your attention is, rightly, elsewhere.

So, OP, more info please.

There may also be a "technical" appeal available based on the council management of the enforcement process and content of the PCN, but I'll leave this aspect for those much more expert than me.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 12:55:16 am by Incandescent »

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Thank you Incasdescent,

I went back to the crime scene, I hope the footage I made is helpful

https://imgur.com/a/OdCbCst

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Thank you Incasdescent,

I went back to the crime scene, I hope the footage I made is helpful

https://imgur.com/a/OdCbCst
A yellow non-traffic sign is positioned as you drive up to the T-junction. Really they should have put this sign, or an even better, a traffic sign-compliant, sign on the approach. Having said that the restriction signs are quite prominent at driver level, but turning right at a T-junction demands that the driver pay attention to traffic moving past and any pedestrians who may attempt to cross in front of him.

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Exactly, I didn’t show this sign as a drove back then.
Shouldn’t be a sign on the left-hand side advising of this time restricted prohibition? 
Is this PCN fightable? 😬😬

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Exactly, I didn’t show this sign as a drove back then.
Shouldn’t be a sign on the left-hand side advising of this time restricted prohibition? 
Is this PCN fightable? 😬😬
It's fightable, but its not a slam-dunk win situation, I'm afraid, and as the council are only interested in your money, you would have to take them to London Tribunals. You would emphasise the lack of advance warning of the restriction, pointing out that if this had been in place, the offence would not have occurred. Their yellow sign is NOT an advance warning at all, totally useless in fact. Councils have a duty under LATOR, (Regulation 18) to place adequate signage of traffic restrictions.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/contents

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Thank you Incandescent, lets fight this one. Just made representations today fingers-cross. I'll keep you updated


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Please show.
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Acknowledgement Email

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Finally responded with NOTICE OF REJECTION.


Please advise how to proceed

Thank you

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OP, as an erstwhile resident of Havana Rd, I don't follow the logic here.

Lucien doesn't lead to anywhere other than Wim Park Rec some 30m from where you turned. Coincidence that you were visiting the rec since the restriction was introduced?

And as for their reply.... 'restrictions at Ricards Lodge High School'...FFS, this is miles away!

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Worth a punt, amigo.  ;D
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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Webpage is too general.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

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I know

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Edited.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2025, 11:32:41 am by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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