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Hi all,
Pepipoo has been super helpful in the past and really saved me once, so I’m hoping for some guidance again.

My sister has been caught out at my place for parking without displaying a ticket. She rarely comes by during the day as she works full-time, but she popped round yesterday, parked up, forgot to get a ticket—and ended up with one.

While checking online using her reg, she found out she also had another unpaid ticket from March that she had no idea about. That’s actually the main reason for this post, though I’ll include the recent parking one too in case there’s a chance to appeal that as well.

She never received anything in the post. Her V5 and driver’s license are both registered at the correct address.

Here’s the location:

https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.578134,-0.333901,190.04h,-1.56p,4z,wjUXb-ug2GDYGLEt7r_BQg


She was driving down and didn’t immediately notice the restriction sign. By the time she realised, she’d already entered, panicked, and turned out. There's no physical ticket, but there’s a £195 fine pending. She’s already appealed, saying she never received the original notice—despite me telling her to hold off while I looked into it… smh.

Would appreciate any advice on what her next steps should be.
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« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 09:37:03 pm by Pcnninjagirl »

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You need to set your Drive link to "Public".  At the moment it's "Private" and cannot be opened.

The £195 is the amount for a Charge Certificate, (PCN penalty - £130, plus CC surcharge 50% - £65 = £195). The PCN is for a moving traffic contravention, so the PCN would have been sent by post to the address on the V5C for the vehicle. So are you absolutely sure the V5C address is correct, because it seems you have also missed receiving the Charge Certificate, the second statutory document in the process ? Is the address on the V5C now the same as it was on the contravention date of 7th March ? I suggest you check the V5C carefully.

Thanks, set to public, hope it works.

Thanks for the input. I just got my sister to check her v5c and her address is correct on it. She  got her tax reminder by post alright too not long ago.

She didn’t receive anything by post from the council unfortunately.

What are her options now please?


You need to set your Drive link to "Public".  At the moment it's "Private" and cannot be opened.

The £195 is the amount for a Charge Certificate, (PCN penalty - £130, plus CC surcharge 50% - £65 = £195). The PCN is for a moving traffic contravention, so the PCN would have been sent by post to the address on the V5C for the vehicle. So are you absolutely sure the V5C address is correct, because it seems you have also missed receiving the Charge Certificate, the second statutory document in the process ? Is the address on the V5C now the same as it was on the contravention date of 7th March ? I suggest you check the V5C carefully.

Her option now, with a Charge Certificate apparently served, (although not received), is to wait until the council register the debt at the Traffic Enforcement Centre. When they do this, they will send her an Order for Recovery, and add £10 to the CC amount. The £10 is the TEC registration fee. You can therefore check when they have done this by going onto their website to see when the amount increases by £10. Of course, she should receive the paper OfR by post, but her mail does seem to be going astray. Are you absolutely sure she hasn't changed address since the contravention date ? It might be worth checking with the council what address they are using.

When the debt is registered, she can submit a Statutory Declaration that she submitted representations, but did not receive a notice of rejection. The matter will then be reverted to the "reps" stage, and the council must ask the adjudicator at London Tribunals what they must now do. So don't cough-up yet.

She checked her v5c today and her address is correct. She’s contacted the council to say, no post received.

Only noticed the please call me because she got a pcn on her windscreen yesterday and went to check it online with her Reg and found another from March.

Her option now, with a Charge Certificate apparently served, (although not received), is to wait until the council register the debt at the Traffic Enforcement Centre. When they do this, they will send her an Order for Recovery, and add £10 to the CC amount. The £10 is the TEC registration fee. You can therefore check when they have done this by going onto their website to see when the amount increases by £10. Of course, she should receive the paper OfR by post, but her mail does seem to be going astray. Are you absolutely sure she hasn't changed address since the contravention date ? It might be worth checking with the council what address they are using.

When the debt is registered, she can submit a Statutory Declaration that she submitted representations, but did not receive a notice of rejection. The matter will then be reverted to the "reps" stage, and the council must ask the adjudicator at London Tribunals what they must now do. So don't cough-up yet.

Fine, but did she get the address the council are using to send out the statutory documents ? Two have gone astray now. It could be an error of the council when transcribing the address provided by the DVLA, to use in their enforcement process.

She challenged it. I’ll get her to call them and Monday and find out the address they’re sending it to.

Fine, but did she get the address the council are using to send out the statutory documents ? Two have gone astray now. It could be an error of the council when transcribing the address provided by the DVLA, to use in their enforcement process.

She challenged it. I’ll get her to call them and Monday and find out the address they’re sending it to.

Fine, but did she get the address the council are using to send out the statutory documents ? Two have gone astray now. It could be an error of the council when transcribing the address provided by the DVLA, to use in their enforcement process.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the debt amount. As soon as it gets to £205, it means the debt is registered at TEC and a Statutory Declaration can be submitted. Or you can ring TEC at intervals of 10-14 days. In-time SDs are accepted automatically, but if you get out-of-time, the enforcing authority can object, and you don't want that to happen.

She received this on Saturday. Looks like a photocopy and address is correct on it. Any advice on how to proceed now please?

https://ibb.co/5hcqYmyV
https://ibb.co/TMLDRRzP

She challenged it. I’ll get her to call them and Monday and find out the address they’re sending it to.

Fine, but did she get the address the council are using to send out the statutory documents ? Two have gone astray now. It could be an error of the council when transcribing the address provided by the DVLA, to use in their enforcement process.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the debt amount. As soon as it gets to £205, it means the debt is registered at TEC and a Statutory Declaration can be submitted. Or you can ring TEC at intervals of 10-14 days. In-time SDs are accepted automatically, but if you get out-of-time, the enforcing authority can object, and you don't want that to happen.

Fine, she's got the Charge Certificate. Don't pay it !!  You cannot submit representations against this, that time has gone. As I said before, when the amount on their website goes up by £10, the debt is registered and a Statutory Declaration can be submitted stating reps were submitted against the PCN but no notice of rejection was not received.


Thanks, I’ll check it for her daily and see when it goes up.

Could someone help me determine if my sister  should appeal please. She didn’t notice the sign of no left turn and so used that entrance to turn around. I went there and sure enough, the sign wasn’t facing the motorists. What do you think please?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18FZOGj-EpFKWUatdNNUUXRgDiFzPieYr/view?usp=drivesdk

Another thing, Harrow has reduced it from £195 to £65.