Author Topic: PCN Stopping in a yellow box junction (Crystal Palace Parade/Bus Garage, Bromley Council)  (Read 3794 times)

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They have amended their PCN:

This is correct:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

However, they cannot take steps to enforce the increased charge until 28 days from the date of service:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted

Charge certificates
5(1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28 days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served;

(b)where such representations are made and a notice of rejection is served by the enforcing authority and no appeal against the notice of rejection is made with the date on which the period within which an appeal could have been made expires; or

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I'll draft a collateral challenge tomorrow. Please prod me as I am super busy.

I make these formal representations against the PCN.

1. The alleged infraction is de minimis.

2  I make this collateral challenge regarding the validity of the PCN:

   The council cannot "take steps to enforce recovery of the increased charge" until 28      days from the date of service of the PCN as provided at Para 5 ff. of

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/schedule/1/enacted

Charge certificates

5(1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28 days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served;


(b)where such representations are made and a notice of rejection is served by the enforcing authority and no appeal against the notice of rejection is made with the date on which the period within which an appeal could have been made expires; or

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BEFORE you do this please screenshot the representations page.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

@Hippocrates

Thank you for providing the above, this was sent last week and I'm now awaiting the response from Bromley.

I have also saved a screenshot of the representations page as instructed.

Thanks again.

 ;D Please keep us posted. This will be an interesting one.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I Have just returned from a trip out of the country and have received a NoR from Bromley, please see the attached link.

Bromley Notice of Rejection of Representations

Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2025, 05:35:33 pm by IC3GB »

At the risk of repeating myself, how do Bromley know there was a stationary vehicle blocking the exit? The video does not show which exit was selected by the driver, nor does it show any blockage in two of the three exit lanes as these are obscured by the bus.

I feel it would be a good idea to include this point in any appeal as well as the technical arguments advanced thus far.

At the risk of muddying the waters (so please ignore me if so!), the descriptor is wrong in that it's a bus station rather than a bus garage...but that could also work in your favour as there has been a ruling in the past that yellow boxes are not to be used at the entrances/exits of bus garages.

https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/1-the-box

I'm bumping this as I have to get my appeal into the tribunal by the end of this week, is there a consensus amongst the scholars here relating to the points made by @SITR and @MrChips?

Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2025, 09:17:29 am by IC3GB »

PM received. Cannot access he NOR.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I wasn't aware of Imgur had decided to stop allowing access to its content for us in the UK as of the 30/09/25.

See the link here to the NOR from my Google Drive.

Please confirm if you are able to access please.

Thanks in advance.

PM received. I would file your appeal TODAY.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r