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TheEngineer

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Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - camera enforcement (Hammersmith & Fulham)
« on: September 05, 2024, 11:55:42 am »
Hi All

Was sorry to see Pepipoo bite the dust - thank you to those who were there and moved here. I had a couple of PCN's cancelled (including one won in court for my elderly mother) thanks to the advice.

So, as the registered keeper of the vehicle I received the Penalty Charge Notice from Hammersmith and Fulham.

https://i.imgur.com/ECA0Juk.jpeg

The driver has indicated that, if this was the day in question, they were forced to stop in the box as another car in effect cut across them into the lane they were entering. Despite this the amount of time they were stationary was a few seconds and so hopefully de mininimis would apply.

there is no indication of how long the vehicle was stopped.

Any thoughts appreciated
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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - camera enforcement (Hammersmith & Fulham)
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2024, 12:19:59 pm »
Which car?

It's a horribly big box and anything looks trivial to me and the rearmost car looks like it had room to exit ahead.

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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - camera enforcement (Hammersmith & Fulham)
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2024, 01:27:53 pm »
4th car to enter nearest the camera. Have shown this to the driver and he was conscious of the cyclist coming in from his left and so didn't aim for the space near the kerb. Obviously it wasn't the day they were "cut up"!

Also although the car is moving forward very slowly at one point before coming to a complete stop I reckon 10 seconds at most stationary.
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Re: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited - camera enforcement (Hammersmith & Fulham)
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2024, 01:44:14 pm »
4 seconds max.?
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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