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Hello,

I am posting this here as have been advised from Reddit.

My original message:

Today I received a notice of enforcement from CDER group with details as stated:

    Type of debt: Penalty Charge Notice

    Contravention Date: 04/10/2024

    Warrant issue Date: 26/03/2025

    Other details: 50(R) Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn)

This was apparently couple months ago.

I have NOT received a single letter/email prior to this with regards to above penalty.

It mentions total amount owed is £280.00

I am very conflicted because as far as I understand because you meant to receive a notice before they send enforcement agents.

What is the best course of action now? Can I challenge this? And who should I contact- the council that says I owe the money to or contact enforcement agents??? I don't even know if its something I did, Can I ask to see their evidence of that?

I feel I'm being punished severely and they did no communication with me at all, and just throw enforcement agents at me. Please help

This is England, London

I would like to add dates:

Move in to new address: 01/09/2024
V5C Address Change: Application made on: 01/09/2024
Contravention Date: 04/10/2024

NOTE: I have not received V5C after 14 days from the application, I called them and they send replacement and I received that one.

What is the reference date on the V5C - the date of the last logbook change.

No doubt the PCN etc went to your old address.

With dates so close you have a good chance of getting the enforcement rescinded.

What London council is it.

£280 = £130 PCN + £65 charge certificate + £10 debt registration + £75 enforcement fee

If they visit you that adds £235 so we recommend paying and filing an out of time application which may succeed here in getting the extra fees struck off but not the PCN.

Reference date on V5c is 14 09 24 - I can see this in Change my name or address, or both. section

This is haringey council of London

here is fee breakdown:
Debt: £205.00
Compliance stage fee: £75.00
Total amount owed: £280.00

I tried calling the council regarding PCN but all the options on the smartphone direct you to their website, so no human interaction at all.

Do you suggest I visit the council in person? They close today at 5pm so probably tomorrow.

Is there a link to this `out of time application`? I already sent a complaint to the council explaining the situation

What is the car VRM - I just want to double check.

It looks like you've done everything right bar setting up mail forwarding.

The process involves an out of time statutory declaration and initially goes to the Traffic Enforcement Centre.

Car VRM is DY11 OXJ, white Polo

Date of last V5C (logbook) issued: 14 September 2024

So looks like there was a mistake at DVLA and they backdated it if the contravention was 4 October 2024 - do you have the PCN number? 

And are the name and address on the current V5C correct? 

Unfortunately I have no other documents, No PCN to check any evidence, nothing. This notice of enforcement is the first thing that arrived this morning and I have learnt about that there is PCN.

Yes the name and address is correct on my current V5C

Quote from: czgm1h on April 01, 2025, 05:26:58 pm

Quote from: stamfordman on April 01, 2025, 05:22:40 pm

Date of last V5C (logbook) issued: 14 September 2024

So looks like there was a mistake at DVLA and they backdated it if the contravention was 4 October 2024 - do you have the PCN number? 

And are the name and address on the current V5C correct? 

Unfortunately I have no other documents, No PCN to check any evidence, nothing. This notice of enforcement is the first thing that arrived this morning and I have learnt about that there is PCN.

Yes the name and address is correct on my current V5C

Hang on, the reference number on  notice of enforcement seems to be the PCN number

I can see 3 total contraventions I am confused!!!!

Yes you have three at that turn on Turnpike Lane.

But you have an automatic reset for the second and third if they've not taken them past the debt registration stage by filing in-time statutory declarations.

You may be able to get out of all of this at £65 a piece if there is nothing to challenge the PCNs on.

can someone tell me if that is a single PCN, or three different ones? I have not received anything for that!

You have hidden the PCN number(s) Each PCN has a unique number - so are the numbers identical, or different.

If different then please list them, or give the single unique number, Please also post your VRM, and all sides of the EN (only redact yr name & address).

EDIT:
Stamfordman's post has updated the situation for you.

You may find this link helpful
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/

2nd EDIT:
You do not pay the 2nd or 3rd PCNs, nor contact Haringey. See the above link - once the OfR has been issued for a PCN, you can file the form for that PCN with the TEC.

Hi stamfordman, thanks for your help so far.

Do you know what steps should I take from here onwards? Does that look ok?

1. Pay the CDER group (£280)
2. Send a message regarding other PCNs to the haringey council regarding issue with letters and PCN? Or pay for these too, via their portal? £195.00 each
3. Fill out and submit 'out of time' form

P.S. The Out of Time form for the first PCN needs careful filling in - do not send it without getting the drafte checked over here.

The in-time forms are simpler and the process automatic.

Edit: crossed with Stamfordman.