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I received a PCN at work (I wasn't driving) from Enfield Council for a contravention 33g, using a route restricted to certain vehicles (local buses only) on Firs Lane.

I had one earlier in the year that they rejected, and they rejected my appeals for this one too. The vehicle is a HGV that has ended up on Firs Lane without going past any prohibition signage or advance warning of a prohibition signage until after the last possible alternative route, past the point of no return. Meaning, by the time you get to the blue rectangle sign with a 7 foot width restriction 450 yards ahead, it's too late to take an alternative route.

Continuing down the road, presumably 450 yards ahead, there is a bus gate in the middle of the road, with a narrowed lane either side of it for traffic in either direction. The bus gate has the appropriate signage at the gate with a  diagram 953 variant that says "Local", with "BUS GATE" painted on the road. There is also a diagram 629A for the 7 foot width restriction, and is narrowed with a curb and bollards.

The last available junction has been narrowed by a pavement build-out and bus stop (which appears to have been whiped out, I would guess by some other HGV) and
parked cars opposite, preventing larger vehicles from turning. The effect of this is that the drivers of larger
vehicles are effectively compelled into  continuing down the road to the bus gate, regardless of intention, with no fair opportunity to avoid the
restriction.

The options are, to smash through the bollards of the width restriction, probably getting a PCN from the same camera and getting an invoice for damages, or go through the bus gate and get a PCN. Or reverse back to the last junction in an articulated lorry and pray you don't hit a car or whipe out a bus stop and double pray that you can make the turn into the junction once you get there. All options suck and could have been prevented by advance signage.

Enfield have rejected my appeal, again, with an almost identical response as last time. They suggest going through the narrowed road to the left of the bus gate to avoid the contravention and clearly have not even read my appeal nevermind watched the dashcam footage I provided. They also note in the NoR that I am the driver. I was not the driver and never claimed to be, I was about 300 miles away at the time lol.

I will attach the PCN, my appeal, and their Notice of Rejection in the comments/replies. I'm trying to figure out if I have a chance of winning a London Tribunal appeal and if I do, what I should say.

Many thanks in advance  8)


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Post the video.

Check the tribunal for appealed cases at this location.

I think there's a technical error in the PCN. It says they may disregard representations received more then 28 days from date of notice.  However they may only do so if received more than 28 days from date of service of the notice.

As such they haven't complied with their legal obligation to set out in the PCN how you may make representations under the relevant Act.

Post the video.

Check the tribunal for appealed cases at this location.
Video from this PCN - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QBB7MJGCD9xy9Uwc6GQzglzpoP53BM-e/view?usp=sharing
Video from last PCN at same spot - https://drive.google.com/file/d/166DCJ_lik54S_X8L_nHAbI6Jg_yeWRqD/view?usp=drivesdk

And yeah good idea, I'll have a look at previous cases there in the morning.

I think there's a technical error in the PCN. It says they may disregard representations received more then 28 days from date of notice.  However they may only do so if received more than 28 days from date of service of the notice.

As such they haven't complied with their legal obligation to set out in the PCN how you may make representations under the relevant Act.

Nice catch! You are right there Schedule 1, paragraph 1(3) says:
"The enforcing authority may disregard any such representations which are received by them after the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the penalty charge notice in question was served." Which is assumed to be 2 days after the PCN issue date, right?

Looking on London Tribunals Register of Appeals, there is a lot on this road, and quite a lot for this particular bus gate, though I only looked at the successful ones there was one that was most relevant, another HGV that had gone through the bus gate - 2220936636 - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LcbQA9hfwGRhtlyrOs_nf_t6KNZkM8tp/view?usp=drivesdk

I meant the council's video not your dash cam.


Does this look okay? Is there any changes I should make, things I should add or take out?

Many thanks.

London Tribunal Appeal Draft — https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsbPy85pH0yBYSVbj_dhSyJr3aUBH8Fh/view?usp=drivesdk

That's as about as thorough as can be and you should opt for an online or phone hearing making it clear you are representing the owner/keeper.

They may not contest this.

That's as about as thorough as can be and you should opt for an online or phone hearing making it clear you are representing the owner/keeper.

They may not contest this.

Thanks, I appreciate you taking a look.

I will do that.

Advance warning signs (2) here going north: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BjqsxeJUQnUHtC9P6
and a much smaller sign going south: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BjqsxeJUQnUHtC9P6

So if you were proceeding south on Firs Lane you would have a much more powerful appeal argument on inadequacy of signage. Councils are under an obligation to place adequate signage of a restriction. I don't think they've done this for the southbound direction. You could also argue for inadequacy of signage in both directions due to their use of blue backed signs, which are not prominent, whereas a geographic layout sign on a white background would be far more likely to be noticed.

Advance warning signs (2) here going north: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BjqsxeJUQnUHtC9P6
and a much smaller sign going south: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BjqsxeJUQnUHtC9P6

So if you were proceeding south on Firs Lane you would have a much more powerful appeal argument on inadequacy of signage. Councils are under an obligation to place adequate signage of a restriction. I don't think they've done this for the southbound direction. You could also argue for inadequacy of signage in both directions due to their use of blue backed signs, which are not prominent, whereas a geographic layout sign on a white background would be far more likely to be noticed.

You have posted the same link twice.

But I assume you meant this sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/etXdvWK9Kumqu3eH6?g_st=ac

The vehicle was going south, it joined Firs Lane from Farm Road. The blue rectangle sign warning of a width restriction 450 yards ahead is beyond the last junction to turn off.

Does this look okay? Is there any changes I should make, things I should add or take out?

Many thanks.

London Tribunal Appeal Draft — https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MsbPy85pH0yBYSVbj_dhSyJr3aUBH8Fh/view?usp=drivesdk

Change procedural impropriety to: I make this collateral challenge re the PCN because.

PI is not a ground.

Also it is missing an important/mandaory part of the legislation.

Para 4(8 ) (v)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

which in turn refers to 4(8 ) (iii)

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;


(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

For fuller explanation here:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg86653/#msg86653

A double whammy.

Would you like me to represent you?
« Last Edit: September 08, 2025, 11:27:41 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

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Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r