Author Topic: Enfield, 38L Failing comply with cars passing specified side of sign, Connaught Gardens, N13  (Read 521 times)

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Hi All,

I have been issued with a PCN. The contravention date was the 02/05/2025. The PCN was posted on the 10/07/2025 - 69 days later.

I was driving a hire car on the day of the contravention.

The contravention occurred as I turned left from the A111 (Hedge Lane) into Connaught Garden, N13

I had about 15 meters to sight the signs, process their meaning and act accordingly, whilst travelling at circa 15mph, in an area I do not know.

Would I have any grounds to challenge this PCN pls? Perhaps on the basis of the long delay in issuing the PCN and/or any other points?

Thank You


Google Drive link to PCN: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BRtgrAMw50qgSJlOU03qwdY9gEL8Ydvh/view?usp=sharing


Google Drive Link to Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ilv8NmuWlYBewV37SBUxodYpLSWc59jl/view?usp=sharing

(I am the black Suzuki SUV which passes to the left of the sign as you watch)

Google Maps image of location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/aVv9FTSGEAquhpHr7

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You were driving a hire car, so the first PCN would have been sent to them. The council have 28 days in which to serve a PCN. The hire company then have 28 days to respond to that PCN, which clearly they have done, as you now have a PCN. The council cancel the first PCN, then have 28 days to send another PCN to the name and address provided by the hire company. So you can see that it is fairly easy with the above time periods, to get to 69 days. Therefore I think the PCN is kosher.

However, I can't see your links; you need to set them to 'Public'. But first make sure your name and address (only) ir redacted from where it appears.

Thank you for your reply.

I  have set the links to public.

Well the video shows a pretty clearcut contravention, so why did you suddenly decide to drive through the middle lane despite the signs ? At the moment, I see no appeal argument at all.

Thank You Incandescent.

I was driving in an area I did not know, I've had not come across a road design/layout like this before and I had limited time to react as it was close to the turning where I turned in.
 

Well, the only alternative to coughing-up the discount right now, is to wait and see if one of our regulars suggests a 'technical' appeal.

Appeals based on a technical issue are when the council have mismanaged the enforcement process. Such appeals (at the adjudicators, London Tribunals), have won recently, but I'm not sure if Enfield have committed any faux pas. SO wait a bit to see what may be suggested, but don't miss the deadline for paying or submitting representations. If you are minded to pay the discount, you can wait until shortly before the discount period expires.

Please note that taking them to London Tribunals means the full PCN penalty is in play, no discount.

Please post up the hire agreement, all pages, cover only your name and address, mobile number, email address. We need to check itcqualifies for liability transfer.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

I don't like the signage - the no motorised signs are superfluous and not used on most of these width restrictions as enforcement is by the keep left sign and the middle gap is often hatched off.

Faced with three lanes and maybe not encountering the no vehicles signage before I can see why there can be confusion but it won't be enough for an adjudicator.

I can only see one allowed case but coming the other way and not relevant.

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