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Hoping for some help.

My vehicle was parked outside my home yesterday morning and I received a ticket for parking on yellow lines. My vehicle was reversed directly in front of the electrical substation doors.

Mitigating factors - I have lived here for 3 years and to my knowledge parking enforcement has never taken place; the vehicle was directly outside my home due to lack of parking spaces on the estate (permits are not required); I have frequently parked here in the past.

Potential appeal reasons - incomplete yellow lines?

I'm open to any suggestions for appeal if anyone can help. I'm pretty sure this is council owned land not owned by an association.

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This is an off-street car park. The restricted area contravention is standard for parking on double yellows and is probably in the traffic order. 

But a car park needs posted terms and condition - is there a board there? Any instructions with your permit?




There are no posted terms and conditions. No permits are required to park here.

I think faded DYLs will not succeed as they are recognisable as such.

You may have an argument for 'legitinate expectation' as you have parked there for years without enforcement. BUT (playing devil's advocate) an adjudicator may well take a dim view of obstructing the doors of an electricity sub-station where rapid access may be required in an emergency.
You are anyway on notice that enforcement is happening.

However, at the NtO stage you may have a case for 'vague location'. The keeper (not necessarily the driver) should be able to readily identify the location from the NtO.
'Croxted Road Estate Outside Car Park' is a more ot less meaningless term (There are no indications of entering an estate at the entrance
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And if it is not marked as an estate should code 81 be used?
It should have said something like 'Glazebrook Close, SE21 Outside No. xx)'
The house numbers on Google maps do not match those seen on the bungalows)

Against that you appear actually live next to where the parking took place.

Talking of the NtO, are you the keeper and is your name & address on the V5 correct in every detail?

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« Last Edit: May 10, 2026, 12:14:14 pm by John U.K. »

I just added the photo of the sign at the entrance to the estate; 'Private Estate'.

Sorry to have missed ot earlier
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But it's hardly prominent (cf.the street signs) and still does not indicate that it is 'Claxton Road Estate'. Nor does it mention anything about parking, tho' it does mention Dog Fouling.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2026, 05:13:03 pm by John U.K. »

I agree. 'Croxted Road Estate' is the description the council apply to the whole estate. Residents use road names. I've always found it a bit bizarre - is it an estate with parking or are they roads? I have seen people clamped for no tax which would suggest the roads are adopted highway. But then there are signs saying private estate!

Regarding the V5 - I bought the car at the end of March and I am yet to receive it. How would this affect any appeal?

Should I wait to see if I receive an NtO before I appeal?

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Regarding the V5 - I bought the car at the end of March and I am yet to receive it. How would this affect any appeal?

It could have a serious effect.

The Council,  in order to send out the NtO, are alloed on this occasion only, to ask DVLA for the details of the keeper on the day of the offence (which will be keeper previous to you until the date the V5 is uppdated. To that address the Council will send the NtO and all subsquent paperwork.

What date did you submit the V5 with the new details?

So in any challenge to the PCN made to the Council, you must make very clear the new name & address and tell the Council to use this address in responding to your challenge and the NtO and any subsequent correspondence.
When it comes to making a challenge (post a draft here for comment before sending but do not miss deadlines), keep a copy and any receipt or acknowlegement from the Council of yr challenge .

Hows this?

RE PCN JK…

I would like to challenge the PCN issued to my vehicle on the following basis:

I would like to question the legitimacy of the PCN:

The PCN has been issued to a location named as ‘Outside Car Park - Croxted Road Estate’. At the entrance to the estate there is a sign that reads ‘Private Estate - No thoroughfare (please see photo attached). There is no other signage.

If this land is private, then I would like to question whether a Civil Enforcement Officer has the authority to issue a ticket.

Furthermore, if this land is a car park, the Parking Code of Practice states that operators must ensure signs are clear, unambiguous, and prominently displayed, detailing parking charges, terms and conditions, and any limitations. There are no signs displaying this information.

There is no signage that states ‘Croxted Road Estate’ therefore the description of the location on the PCN is vague.

If instead of being a car park this land forms part of a highway and the alleged offence enforced under a Road Traffic Act/Order, then the location given is incorrect. In addition code 81 would be an incorrect code to use for the alleged offence (as this relates to off-street car parks/housing estates and not highways).


I would also like to raise the following mitigating factors:

   The vehicle was parked directly outside of my home. I have parked here on numerous occasions over the past 3 years and have not received a PCN, nor have I seen a Civil Enforcement Officer, nor been given any advice/guidance around parking.
   On the morning in question there was no parking available in marked bays. As a service charge payer to Southwark Council I expect to be able to park on the estate where I live. You will be aware that there are no permits required to park on the estate, which is a choice made by the council resulting in lack of parking for genuine residents.
   The yellow lines around the estate are broken and faded (see attached photos). This suggests that they are no longer compliant or required to be observed.
   I would also draw your attention to the fact that the vehicle is parked in front of an electrical substation - this is not impeding access to any of the garages to the left and therefore the sign ‘No parking in front of garages’ has been complied with.


Given the reasons I have outlined above, I would kindly ask that you cancel this PCN. In addition, as I have recently taken ownership of this vehicle and I have not yet received the V5C, please ensure that any replies, the Notice to Owner or any other correspondence is sent to the correct address as follows:  .. Glazebrook Close, Se21

Yes no terms setting out that it's even a car park let alone what contraventions may incur a penalty.

For the reasons in my earlier post, I would delete the penultimate paragraph.

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  I would also draw your attention to the fact that the vehicle is parked in front of an electrical substation - this is not impeding access to any of the garages to the left and therefore the sign ‘No parking in front of garages’ has been complied with.

I would also switch round and adjust these paragraphs so that they read

 
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The vehicle was parked directly outside of my home. I have parked here on numerous occasions over the past 3 years and have not received a PCN, nor have I seen a Civil Enforcement Officer, nor been given any advice/guidance around parking. This gives rise to 'Legitimate expectation' as ground for cancelling this PCN.

I would also like to raise the following factors:

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An update on the V5C. I have spoken to the DVLA and there was an error when the documents were submitted. They have advised me to apply for a new V5C. What does that mean in terms of this PCN?

Appeal submitted. Will update with the result.