Author Topic: Ealing PCN - 53J restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - Allenby Rd Southall & Oldfield Ln South Greenford  (Read 880 times)

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I received 2 PCNs for the same contravention within 13 mins of each other on the same day, travelling through an area I have never driven through. Total amount is £320 for driving down a regular road on a Monday morning (the only time I could make the journey due to working full time).
Both PCNs state the name of the road and are for entering a restricted pedestrian zone. Neither states an exact location, just the name of a long road. Both have a tiny, dark thumbnail showing my car travelling along a normal road for cars.

PCN 1 (Greenford):


PCN 2 (Southall):


I have never even heard of the 'restriction on entering a pedestrian zone' contravention before this and am still not 100% clear on what it is or how to identify it in future.
I understand certain roads near schools become 'pedestrian zones' at certain times, but the roads remain open and look exactly like a road. There may be a sign somewhere with small text, but no actual road traffic sign in a red circle to show you cannot enter.

I cannot find the signs on the 2 roads in Google maps. I have tried to view the evidence online on the official Ealing council PCN portal, but I get an error and clicking on the link they emailed me only opens a blank webpage. So I cannot see where it was, what I did or what kind of sign was there.

I had no idea there was a school in that area, or that there were restrictions or what days or times they would apply.

I think the sign may be in the corner of the dark thumbnails on the PCN, but I can't read it (too small), and it strikes me that would not be readable from a moving vehicle in traffic, especially if turning left into the road. It was also a dark morning, raining and I had my windscreen wipers on. In one photo there is a van on my inside between my car and the sign, so not sure I would have even seen it.

Do I have any case for appealing and not paying?

This feels like pure robbery.

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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

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There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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I have also had the exact same PCNS for the same locations, like you I also not know the area and don't understand legal jargon.

I am not sure how to appeal the claim.

I have also had the exact same PCNS for the same locations, like you I also not know the area and don't understand legal jargon.

I am not sure how to appeal the claim.
Please start your own thread.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

I challenged the 2 PCNs on the grounds that the signs were obstructed or not readable from a vehicle and also that I am penalised for the same contravention twice within 10 mins. It said 30 working days to get a response. It's now been over 40 working days. Is there a limit by when these cases timeout?

@Hippocrates I clicked your profile but not sure which link you are referring to.

I challenged the 2 PCNs on the grounds that the signs were obstructed or not readable from a vehicle and also that I am penalised for the same contravention twice within 10 mins. It said 30 working days to get a response. It's now been over 40 working days. Is there a limit by when these cases timeout?

When did you submit the appeals?


I challenged the 2 PCNs on the grounds that the signs were obstructed or not readable from a vehicle and also that I am penalised for the same contravention twice within 10 mins. It said 30 working days to get a response. It's now been over 40 working days. Is there a limit by when these cases timeout?
There is no limit under the LLA & TfL Act 2003 on the time the enforcing authority has to respond to representations, but there is a common law duty on them to act fairly and expeditiously. Adjudicators at London Tribunals regard responses over 3 calendar months as unfair and potential grounds for cancellation.