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Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
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Hi,

I got caught on camera driving on the bus lane. The video shows the car driving in the bus lane, there's not much to do here. I was wondering if there any point in challenging the PCN based "on the context" of the infraction. The bus lane runs for a 150m, and I just got on it in the las 20m or so, in anticipation to get to the lane that allows continuing forward, which is the same lane as the bus lane uses (the non-bus lane ends in a forced right turn). The video shows how I just turned into the bus lane at the end of it, and there's no intention of beating the traffic and no bus was blocked.

As I said, I understand that "by the book", I was on the lane and the automated system flagged it, but I don't know, maybe there's some leniency for these cases?

This is the aerial view of the street, with an aproximate of the path I took shown in red



As required, heres the letter I got Notice of Enforcement

A link to the street view where the camera is more or less located Street View

And here is the page where the evidence can be checked https://viewmypcn.co.uk/ (AO00384508 and GD19EVG)

Thanks for taking the time to read through this!

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I did not receive a notification for this PCN, I got a letter from a debt collection agency, I will need to do an out of time challenge for this one. The debt has been paid, it's just a case to see if I can recover at least some of the money.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2025, 02:56:46 pm by mundodisco8 »

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Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
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At the moment it is totally pointless looking at the contravention details because you are far beyond the stage when you could have submitted representations against the PCN. This would have been sent by post, and the council obtain the name and address linked to the registration number from the DVLA. The vast majority of cases we see on here where the OP is only aware of a contravention when bailiffs knock at his door, (or he gets the letter of enforcement), is failure to keep the V5C Registration Certificate up-to-date.

Please tell us if the above situation describes why you didn't get the PCN and subsequent enforcement documents.

You tell us you have paid, so have avoided any further bailiff charges; good, but the only way to get these back and return to the original PCN stage is to submit an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration to the Traffic Enforcement Centre using forms PE2 and PE3. With it being OOT, the council are informed of your submission and are allowed to object to it, which they invariably do. Unless you have a totally solid reason for not keeping your V5C up-to-date, your submission will therefore be rejected.


Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
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That's the case, we had an outdated address, but I thought it had been sorted by the time of the infractions, but turns out they are a couple of months before the update. In fairness, I wrote the council in june to tell them about the issue and asking if I had any outstanding PCNs and they didn't reply ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ok, this one is on me then. I will try my luck, nevertheless, maybe the person attending my case was visited by three ghosts recently and feels more generous than usual 😂, but I know that I should expect my challenge to be rejected.

Thanks!




Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
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OK, just a couple of things to remember when filling out the PE2 and PE3

1. The "Applicant" (see top right of forms), is the council; you are the "Respondent".

2. Don't sign and date it until you have the witness sitting alongside you watching you do it. Small fee at solicitors, or free at your local county court.

Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
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Hi,

Months ago I wrote asking for help to fill an Out of Time Challenge (My previous post). I got a response from TEC and they agreed to roll back the PCN to the notice period.

So today the Council notified me again (Enforcement Notice). I have requested the evidence of the contravention right now, and it might not be available yet, but it should be ready in less than 24h. It can be checked here, with PCN no. AO00384508 and reg GD19EVG.

I attach as in the previous post, a link to the area in street view

I went over the bus lane. In the evidence you can see my car getting into it. If bus lanes are contraventions of the type "You did it, there's no recouse", then the discussion it's over, but if there's a room for a challenge, the point I want to make is that I just went over it in preparation to continue forwad in the next intersection, which requires me to change to the lane the bus lane is. Also, from the around 125m the bus lane has, I stepped on it for the last maybe 10-15m. I think it would be reasonable to see that it was not my intention to take advantage of the bus lane to pass traffic and that I didn't block any buses (as can be seen in the evidence). On top of that, although it might sound as a poor excuse, the visibility of the road paint is very low at night, specially if it's raining and it looks like there was "moderate rain" at that time.



This shows the path of my car on the context of the bus lane in the street.



Independently of the potential of challenge for this PCN, I have another question about the amount of money to pay. The letter from the council says that I have to pay £130 today, and doesn't mention anything about discounts for early payment, but shouldn't I have been offered a 50% discount as my date of notice is effectively yesterday? I logged into the Ealing's Council portal and it says that the amount outstanding is £130.

I would appreciate your opinion on this particular case. Thanks for this and all the work you do here!

Edit: that's funny! the images are not being displayed... anyways, the one about the rain is this one https://imgpile.com/p/1LIotYp and the one with my car's path along the street is this one https://imgpile.com/p/Xn8UQ0z
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 04:06:04 pm by mundodisco8 »

Re: Ealing Council - Bus Lane - Uxbridge Road, Hanwell
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I have asked the moderator to merge this with your original. Please show ALL the EN.  Meanwhile their grounds page includes one wrong ground: we are a hire firm.

Meanwhile, the video does not support the alleged contravention as it does not show any upright signage allegedly passed. Furthermore, the weather was also atrocious which was not exactly assisted by the unclear markings on the road which, of course, are much clearer as in a video. please cancel both documents.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 07:27:51 pm by Hippocrates »
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"