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Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Hi got this pcn letter in the post today. I was led down this road by the satnav. Is there any way to appeal this or should I pay the £80 and move on with my life?

This notice they sent me has missing words at the bottom left side on the first page.



https://i.ibb.co/RG5YTdMs/pcn1.jpg




https://i.ibb.co/9kFNvtf6/pcn2.jpg




https://i.ibb.co/xTkpCD8/pcn3.jpg








These are the only options it shows me to appeal


https://i.ibb.co/pBK2089h/pcn4.jpg









                     This is the video footage: https://streamable.com/v3i4au







This is the location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/CX85AQ8PC9khMSBD6
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Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Oh dear, yet another "satnav-assisted PCN". We see a lot of these, I'm afraid, and people seem to obey the satnav lady like automatons.

This location has appeared on this forum a few times over the years, and even on the old Pepipoo forum.

Their video shows you ziping past the restriction sign at a good rate of knots as if you didn't even notice them. So presumably you also missed this sign as well on approach: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/nibwzX6EMrwykF6S9
and this one: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BJugHGczKRytV14U8
then when you're almost at the sign, Croydon Council have removed any chance of turning round by making the road on the left, No Entry !!
https://maps.app.goo.gl/QqWDbhHWGPDJfPrP9

It is absolutely fatal to rely on satnavs in London because they are never up-to-date, although this restriction has been there for quite some years now, so should have been on yours if you did regular updates.

Frankly, if you want to fight the PCN, you'd have to take them to London Tribunals and risk the full PCN penalty, because they won't give way, they want your money too much.
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Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Hold fire as:

1. There is a wording issue with the PCN

2. There is a big issue with their website grounds pages.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 02, 2026, 12:24:09 am
Hold fire as:

1. There is a wording issue with the PCN

2. There is a big issue with their website grounds pages.

Is it to do with the missing words on the bottom left on the first page?
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Quote from: rolan on April 02, 2026, 06:35:12 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 02, 2026, 12:24:09 am
Hold fire as:

1. There is a wording issue with the PCN

2. There is a big issue with their website grounds pages.

Is it to do with the missing words on the bottom left on the first page?

No. See my post in the Flame Pit re missing mandatory information.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 02, 2026, 08:38:56 pm
Quote from: rolan on April 02, 2026, 06:35:12 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 02, 2026, 12:24:09 am
Hold fire as:

1. There is a wording issue with the PCN

2. There is a big issue with their website grounds pages.

Is it to do with the missing words on the bottom left on the first page?

No. See my post in the Flame Pit re missing mandatory information.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639

What do I do about the websites grounds page for representations not having an option for missing information?
« Last Edit: April 02, 2026, 09:11:20 pm by rolan »
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Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: rolan on April 02, 2026, 09:09:34 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 02, 2026, 08:38:56 pm
Quote from: rolan on April 02, 2026, 06:35:12 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 02, 2026, 12:24:09 am
Hold fire as:

1. There is a wording issue with the PCN

2. There is a big issue with their website grounds pages.

Is it to do with the missing words on the bottom left on the first page?

No. See my post in the Flame Pit re missing mandatory information.

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639

What do I do about the websites grounds page for representations not having an option for missing information?

I will PM you my details as I simply do not have time to explain and can only lead the horse to the water.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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So, as per my private e mail: please screenshot the web pages re representations and attempt to enter each of the correct 5 grounds and keep the results.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 04, 2026, 06:10:55 pm
So, as per my private e mail: please screenshot the web pages re representations and attempt to enter each of the correct 5 grounds and keep the results.

I did that. Do you want me to email you the screenshots so you can make sure I did it right?
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Received and edited.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 05, 2026, 05:31:09 pm
Received and edited.


Hi please let me know which grounds from this list do I choose from to write out the appeal?


https://i.ibb.co/pBK2089h/pcn4.jpg


Thank you
« Last Edit: April 05, 2026, 10:15:11 pm by rolan »
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2nd one.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 06, 2026, 09:27:03 pm
2nd one.

OK thanks.

Also could I also add in the appeal about the faded "TRAM AND BUS LANE" marking on ground that they show in the CCTV?

Also are we not mentioning the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 in the appeal?



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Quote from: rolan on April 07, 2026, 06:32:48 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 06, 2026, 09:27:03 pm
2nd one.

OK thanks.

Also could I also add in the appeal about the faded "TRAM AND BUS LANE" marking on ground that they show in the CCTV?

Also are we not mentioning the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 in the appeal?

Of course not. Yes to the signage.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Croydon PCN - 33E Using route restricted to a certain vehicle - Addiscombe Road
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Quote from: Hippocrates on April 07, 2026, 11:40:52 pm
Quote from: rolan on April 07, 2026, 06:32:48 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on April 06, 2026, 09:27:03 pm
2nd one.

OK thanks.

Also could I also add in the appeal about the faded "TRAM AND BUS LANE" marking on ground that they show in the CCTV?

Also are we not mentioning the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 in the appeal?

Of course not. Yes to the signage.

Hi just sent you a pm

Thank you
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