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I have received a PCN for driving in an area restricted to buses.

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Can you please give us a bit more narrative on why you managed to drive past the two clear signs barring all traffic bar buses, taxis and cyclists. Were you following satnav instructions ?
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Hey thanks for the response!

I was following a satnav. I also didn’t know the area so missed all the signs :(. It was dark and I believe NYE so also very busy.

Any help would be much appreciated
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Not much help to give really. Somehow you have to explain why you missed those signs, and following satnav is not sufficient reason, sorry to have to say it. The signs are reflective so would have shown up in your headlights.  We are seeing so many cases now where the driver was obeying satnav instructions, and not seeing signs that bar progress. Would you have gone past a traditional No Entry sign ? No, because most have been there for a few years so satnavs have them recorded so wouldn't have directed you past one, but there has been a huge roll-out of bus gates buslanes, and Low Traffic Areas, and the signs for these seem to escape people's attention.
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Does the PCN state (motor vehicles)/  If not, we have a strong case. I'll be back later with a case won very recently.
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The pcn doesn’t have “motor vehicles” written.

So can I get out of this or am I dead to rights 😭?

 Why does it cost £80 for taking a wrong turn. All a bit unfair if you ask me. It was dark, I couldn’t see any sign tbh.
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Pay close attention to Hippocrates advice, as he will suggest a 'technical' appeal to you that has nothing to do with the alleged contravention, but is based on their mismanagement of the process. Councils cannot break the law to enforce it.
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