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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #75 on: »
Is your PE3 in or out of time ? In-time submissions don't need any text in the Reasons box, you just need to tick the box that matches your case.

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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I received the Order of Recovery on Saturday 18th and as I am going to be ticking the box that says that I made representations but didn't receive a rejection notice and the PE3 states underneath- My Reasons are (give full reasona)

Without a reason I am not sure why it would need to be signed off legally?

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #77 on: »
I received the Order of Recovery on Saturday 18th and as I am going to be ticking the box that says that I made representations but didn't receive a rejection notice and the PE3 states underneath- My Reasons are (give full reasona)

Without a reason I am not sure why it would need to be signed off legally?
You don't need to enter reasons, just tick the relevant box.

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #78 on: »
Ok thanks. Wasn't clear on the form.

Also council have already confirmed that they couldn't find my hand delivered representation and that it was lost in transit

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #79 on: »
Can't believe the council. My order of Recovery hadn't been registered with TEC so they told me not to send it. I had already been to the solicitor and paid for it to be signed.
I informed the council and there was a problem with their system so I have now received another Order of Recovery which again will need to be signed by the solicitor!!
Unbelievable.

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #80 on: »
So they acted unlawfully by sending out an Order for Recovery but had not actually registered the debt at TEC that permitted them to do so. Time for a complaint here to the head of the council. Havering their usual venal and rapacious selves as usual.

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
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When it gets sorted, let me know.  Meanwhile, stick in a formal complaint and ask them to cancel the PCN because of their conduct. Ray Morgon is the leader of the council.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #82 on: »
It's a joke. As well as sending the unregistered Order of Recovery they admit that my hand delivered appeal was lost in transit! 
Will be sending a complaint to Ray Morgon

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #83 on: »
CouncillorRay.Morgon@havering.gov.uk

Jo Green | Parking Manager

London Borough of Havering | Highways, Traffic & Parking

Town Hall, Main Road, Romford RM1 3BB



t 01708  432 913

e jo.green@havering.gov.uk 

w www.havering.gov.uk

text relay 18001 01708 432 913
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #84 on: »
So you received the OfR on 18th Jan but have since discovered that this had been sent in error by the council because they had not in fact registered the debt with TEC. Is this correct?

How did you find out e.g. were you informed by TEC? (once you've received an OfR further contact with the council is not required procedurally neither is it recommended).

A cautionary word...

It appears that the council deny receiving your representations(you used the term 'lost in transit' but is this just your take on matters or have the council accepted that you delivered representations which were then mislaid by them?). I thought that in an earlier post reference was made to the council's PCN progress system which included the entry NOR issued?

As I posted previously, the process does not revert to a new PCN but instead the authority must refer the matter to the adjudicator who, because of the particular SD grounds you've chosen(did not receive a NOR) will in all likelihood not automatically register the issue as an appeal but instead give directions to you and the authority to discover the whys and wherefores of your reps.
So, in parallel with submitting the SD, I suggest you see what evidence you have regarding submitting reps.

Edit - no notices in this process are sent by registered mail.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2025, 01:59:18 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #85 on: »
I phoned the TEC Office to find out if they were open at weekend if I sent in the OfR by signed and tracked.
When they checked the reference I was then told it had not been registered and not to send it in and to contact the council.

I was ready to send it so it had already been signed at the solicitors office.  This morning I received an email to say that there was an error in processing a batch.
A previous email from the parking manager stated that unfortunately my hand delivered letter had been lost in transit. (I have video evidence of handing it over)

I'm not sure I understand the last part of your message

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #86 on: »
UPDATE 1 FEB 2025

I sent in an email complaint to Havering Council on 30 January regarding Traffic & Parking Control department, outlining the representation lost by them and the Order for Recovery sent to me which was not registered.

A reply was received the same day which said:

“A copy of your challenge sent to Miss Green on the ***10th January has been added to the case as a formal challenge and will be reviewed tomorrow.  A decision will be sent to you by email and post.

The TEC fee and surcharges have been removed and there is no need for a further Statutory Declaration to be made to the Traffic Enforcement Centre.

Please accept my apologies for the Order for Recovery being issued before being registered.”

*** this was an email where I enlisted the help of a local councilllor to obtain info on when I should receive communication on the Order for Recovery, given that it was almsot six months since the PCN

Today, by post I received, a Notice of Rejection of Formal Representations, attaching a Notice of Appeal which I had added to my One Drive : https://1drv.ms/b/c/ff2efe087033259f/EV47H4w0IN1MoXAKQdczhf4BGoBg9bD4l0skGL3TNHInbA?e=S4zJsH

Now unsure what the next steps are as I appear to be starting over again!!

I'm also away at the end of the week so anything which needs dealing with in 14 days I don't have time
« Last Edit: February 01, 2025, 05:38:31 pm by Haveringresident »

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #87 on: »
Beautiful NOR=Total bolleaux plus wrong form attached!  I am more than happy to deal with this for you. Absolute ignorance.  I will PM you my details. We may be looking at costs too. I do expect them to DNC once they wake up.

BTW, I have my own cunning plan to be realised very soon.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2025, 09:31:13 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #88 on: »
I am representing another member re a 2003 Act alleged contravention. This person has not been offered the discount in the NOR. Therefore, I am somewhat justly aggrieved - pi$$ed off as the famous Bogsy from pepipoo would say.

The time is approaching when I want to go to The Strand with some locus standi. This outfit is quite appalling.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Contravention code 53J – Havering – entering school zone
« Reply #89 on: »
The law is that one can pay the discount at any time within the discount period despite submitting a representation.  So if Havering are saying on their documents that if you submit reps you are not entitled to the discount they are wrong in law, and need to be dragged over the coals on this.