Author Topic: "Parked in area adjacent to a dropped footway". Parked on own vehicle crossover. Footpath not even dropped. Havering  (Read 366 times)

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My mum received a window PCN for "Parked in a special enforcement area adjacent to a dropped footway". We don't believe this is correct as she is parked next to the footpath on her vehicle cross over. The footpath is not dropped.

The vehicle crossover was paid for by my parents for the purpose of driving their vehicles on and off the driveway. This didn't exist before they moved in the house, it was just grass and the footpath.

They've been parking on the vehicle crossover for over 15 years without issues. My dad even has an email from someone from Havering council to specifically say they have permission to park on the vehicle cross over. (I am waiting for a copy of the email).

The double yellow lines have been there roughly 4 or 5 years now. But I don't think 01 should apply here either.

They appealed the window ticket, but it was declined, now they have this PCN that was posted.

Are we fighting a lost cause? Or is the PCN invalid and we should fight it?

Thank you,

Joe

PS, Page 5 of the PCN PDF is a print out from my Dad, this didn't arrive with the PCN.

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Sadly this shows the pathetic state of local authorities' staffing and procedures.

It brings them into disrepute.

The alleged contravention relates to a statutory prohibition (s86 Traffic Management Act 2004) which is as follows:

86Prohibition of parking at dropped footways etc.
(1)In a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on the carriageway adjacent to a footway, cycle track or verge where—


https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/86

I don't need to go any further!

Read the above....'..a vehicle must not be parked ON THE CARRIAGEWAY...'

The car was not on the carriageway therefore the contravention did not occur.

It is irrelevant that the car was 'adjacent to a dropped footway'.

You cannot lose even if the eejits close ranks and act as bullies while they are judges in their own cause.

IMO, with suitably worded reps you must succeed and, if the authority dragged this out to adjudication, would be awarded costs.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2025, 08:09:18 am by H C Andersen »

Bingo. Exactly what we needed. Will hold back any appeals for the moment until we have a correctly worded appeal. Is it worth adding more points to the appeal or should that be enough?

Thanks.

Edit: We've found a few points perhaps worth mentioning.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/18/section/86
1. (1) "In a special enforcement area a vehicle must not be parked on the carriageway adjacent to a footway, cycle track or verge where—" - Not a carridgeway
2. (1)(b) "the carriageway has, for a purpose within paragraph (a)(i) to (iii), been raised to meet the level of the footway, cycle track or verge.". - It hasn't been raised to meet the level of the footway.
3. (2) "The first exception is where the vehicle is parked wholly within a designated parking place or any other part of the carriageway where parking is specifically authorised." - It has been authorised by Havering Councils planning department via email specifically allowing parking there.
4. (3) "The second exception is where the vehicle is parked outside residential premises by or with the consent (but not consent given for reward) of the occupier of the premises.". It's her house.

My partner is keen to join my mum as a McKenzie Friend if this goes to adjudicators.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 09:59:38 pm by Hippo »

Keep is simple as HCA  has told you above. Just deny the contravention, in the name stated on the Notice to Owner, and point out the vehicle was not on the carriageway, or ask me to, which is free. Email mrmustard@zoho.com - I appear by video at the tribunal every week.
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Thank you.

Just to confirm the definition of a carridgeway:

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“carriageway” means a way constituting or comprised in a highway, being a way (other than a cycle track) over which the public have a right of way for the passage of vehicles;
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66/section/329

So the vehicle crossover isn't classed as a part of the carridgeway?

Correct.

And next to the carriageway is the......footway! And this is ...

"footway” means a way comprised in a highway which also comprises a carriageway, being a way over which the public have a right of way on foot only;

A [authorised and properly constructed] vehicle crossover permits a vehicle to move across a footway to access/exit the carriageway from/to adjoining premises.

They do NOT have the right to park on any part of the footway, contrary to what your Dad might think he's read in an email from the council.

Therefore, in this case an offence WAS being committed, in fact two, one statutory and one a contravention of a traffic order* (it just wasn't the one cited in the PCN). They only get one go so this time the owner was lucky. But don't make a habit of it!


*- https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1974/24/contents  (s14)
   Double yellow lines mean no waiting 24/7

Thanks. I'm trying to wrap my head around everything.

So contravention 27 doesn't apply here because it only applies when parked on the carriageway and it's not, it's parked on the footpath?

BUT, it's parked on the footpath and would be a separate offense? And the DYL also apply where it's parked?

That was the only car on the road that was ticketed, lots of other cars were parked in the exact same way, some with double yellows across their drive too and they walked straight past those. Makes me think they were issuing it for the footpath next to it, not the one behind.

Beyond the point anyway. How should we proceed for now?

Yellow lines cover the entire road up to property boundaries so this is a contravention.

Footway/verge parking is banned throughout London.

But councils do allow situations like this often through custom as you say.

So they have been lucky as the contravention given is wrong as explained.

You've blanked the location but it looks like kerbside parking is unrestricted so no problem parking on the road as an alternative.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2025, 11:48:08 am by stamfordman »


Yes, it was a separate offense (so your mum shouldn't do it again) but this doesn't matter as far as this PCN is concerned. The recipient of a PCN only has to defend themselves against the specific allegation made on the PCN. The authority only has one go at getting this right, they can't go back and issue a second PCN if they messed up.

How you should proceed for now is as suggested, a very simple one line response pointing out that their own photo shows the vehicle was not on the carriageway and therefore the PCN must be cancelled.

Everything else you've said is potentially useful later on if the Council don't fold immediately, but at the moment you're dealing with junior level council staff who probably have to hit a tough target for number of PCN responses processed. Your objective is to get them to realise the traffic warden messed up, so they press the button that spits out a standard form 'on this occasion we've decided to let you off' letter. If they don't, then you can go in all guns blazing at the adjudicator stage, armed with a ridiculous rejection of an obviously winning argument.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2025, 12:01:34 pm by Grant Urismo »

Received a response from the council. They accepted the appeal. Fully expected it to go to tribunal.

Many thanks everyone for your help and advice on this!


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Thank you for your correspondence challenging the issue of the above Penalty Charge Notice.

I am pleased to inform you that upon considering your challenge and your comments, I have decided to cancel this Penalty Charge Notice and Notice to Owner on this occasion due to a CEO error.

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Yours sincerely

Mr Playford
Process & Debt Recovery Officer - Highways, Traffic & Parking

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