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Hi all

I quote @Hippocrates: If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I don't want to join the Mugged Club.

I need your experties with this one. Please help!


The PCN:

https://ibb.co/bgqRytcn

https://ibb.co/TMNpCSK5

https://ibb.co/xtcY9yNx


The CCTV video footage:

https://vimeo.com/1084836052?share=copy#t=0

Thank you in anticipation.
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video is a box junction can you post the pedestrian zone one
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Quote from: Pastmybest on May 16, 2025, 06:09:33 pm
video is a box junction can you post the pedestrian zone one

Terribly sorry for this error. I have corrected it. Now the link should take you to the right video.
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Any idea what my chances are with this PCN?

Your feedback is appreciated.
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@mitaab You have redacted the PCN and VRM.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Pastmybest on May 18, 2025, 05:15:43 pm
Looking at the GSV you have an argument that the signage is obstructed and before you can see it you are committed to the turn

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5604463,-0.3196665,3a,86y,142.02h,88.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYAXQ3Pn6jihPckkqc4QHZA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D1.4857180470857259%26panoid%3DYAXQ3Pn6jihPckkqc4QHZA%26yaw%3D142.01809794496143!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDUxMy4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Thanks for that. I don’t think this GSV is up to date. I have uploaded the following photos which I took today. Can I still use the same argument?


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I guess there is no hope with this one...
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We need to know what is in the panel below the Flying Motorbike sign. It is above the camera sign. So don't cough up just yet.
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Quote from: Incandescent on May 21, 2025, 01:04:26 am
We need to know what is in the panel below the Flying Motorbike sign. It is above the camera sign. So don't cough up just yet.

The photo below should show the details of the sign more clearly:

I am running out of the 14-day period.



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Hi

I made representations on 22/05/2025. However, I received the Notice of rejection on 16/08/2025. This is way beyond the 56 days rule. Is this rule applicable in this case and worth taking it to the tribunal, or shall I pay the £80?
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Quote from: mitaab on August 23, 2025, 06:45:45 pm
Hi

I made representations on 22/05/2025. However, I received the Notice of rejection on 16/08/2025. This is way beyond the 56 days rule. Is this rule applicable in this case and worth taking it to the tribunal, or shall I pay the £80?
The 56 days only applies to PCNs issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004.  Your PCN was issued under the London Local Authorities & Transport for London Act 2003 where there is no limit, other than adjudicators not looking favourably on anything over 3 months. Of course you could take them to London Tribunals on the basis of excessive delay in responding to your reps, but a win is not guaranteed, I'm afraid.
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Quote from: mitaab on August 23, 2025, 06:45:45 pm
Hi

I made representations on 22/05/2025. However, I received the Notice of rejection on 16/08/2025. This is way beyond the 56 days rule. Is this rule applicable in this case and worth taking it to the tribunal, or shall I pay the £80?
No do not pay. Let's see the NOR and your formal reps. please.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Hippocrates on August 23, 2025, 09:19:46 pm


No do not pay. Let's see the NOR and your formal reps. please.

As requested:

Please find attached the Representaions (via email), as a text file.



NoR pages:
https://ibb.co/Zz1kMZQx

https://ibb.co/QFpM8MqN

https://ibb.co/3ybhNxVG

FYI, the 14 days discount period is running out soon.

Thank you.
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I say Tribunal time as this is attempted extrapolation of the urine - even from here, Mr Bond! (Urine sample joke in Never Say Never Again, on telly tonight!)

I'll PM you. If I lose this, I'll pay half.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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