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Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #15 on: »
The assisted alighting defence looks good
Are you deliberating if code 16 trumps code 14 in this circumstance? Does the "a" suffix make a difference?

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #16 on: »
The a suffix is spelt out on the PCN anyway as permit holders electric bay but as I said I think this consolidates the fact that you were a non-permit holder in a permit bay. The act of charging or not is not relevant.

But see what others say.

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #17 on: »
Will do, thanks again

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #18 on: »
Google came up with this but cant see a definitive answer on Camden Council website



You can load and unload in a resident bay in Camden for up to 20 minutes, provided it is a continuous process and you are responsible for the vehicle at all times.

Avoid dedicated bays like disabled, car club, or diplomatic bays, and move your vehicle as soon as the loading is complete, even if the time limit hasn't been reached.

Loading rules for resident bays
Time limit: You are allowed a maximum of 20 minutes for loading and unloading.
Continuous activity: The process must be continuous. Once goods are unloaded and paperwork is completed, you must move the vehicle immediately.

Vehicle presence: Someone responsible for the vehicle must be with it at all times.

Prohibited bays: You cannot load or unload in diplomatic bays. It's also recommended to avoid disabled bays if possible.

Suspended bays: Loading is not permitted in a suspended bay unless you have requested the suspension yourself.

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #19 on: »
Loading is nothing to do with this.

Contravention didn't occur: I was engaged in assisted boarding of xxx from xxx and took only as only as long as necessary.

Contravention didn't occur: the act of not charging cannot apply to a non-permit holder as I was not entitled to park in this bay as I do not hold a resident's permit for this zone. A correct contravention would have been parked without a valid permit, which would also have been correct had I been charging.

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #20 on: »
Thanks Stamfordman

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #21 on: »
Assisted alighting not boarding...


Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #22 on: »
Yes, got it

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #23 on: »
This case on Monday - someone without a permit in a permit bay while charging - and a no permit PCN was correctly given. It makes no sense to issue a no-charging PCN in my view. 

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Case reference   2250376541
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   London Borough of Lambeth
VRM   CF220DP
PCN Details
PCN   LJ33884406
Contravention date   16 Mar 2025
Contravention time   08:33:00
Contravention location   Moorland Road
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
Referral date   -
Decision Date   24 Nov 2025
Adjudicator   Martin Hoare
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   
Ms Gorning attended this video appeal hearing. The Authority did not attend.

Ms Gorning submitted that the penalty charge ‘is extremely unfair given the growing push for greener transportation and the barriers now being placed on electric vehicle (EV) users. The road in question previously allowed open access to the EV charging bay without the need for a permit, but this has now changed - with little notice or consideration for local EV drivers.

I live less than a one-minute walk away from this charging bay, yet I am not eligible for a resident parking permit because I live on an estate, not directly on the road itself. This leaves me in a Catch-22 situation: I am doing my part to reduce emissions and improve air quality in Lambeth by driving an electric car, but I am effectively blocked from charging it anywhere nearby without risking a penalty. The charging bay itself is hardly ever used and sits empty most of the time, meaning the new restrictions are not even improving access or turnover - they are simply punitive for people like me. Other charging bays across Brixton are also permit-only during most hours and are often free because no one is able to use them.

The next closest unit available to me is on Pulross Road, a 20-minute walk away. This is impractical and unsafe, especially late in the evening when most EV owners would look to charge overnight so their vehicle is ready for work the next day. To make matters worse, even if I were willing to walk the distance, I am only allowed to charge between 7am and 10pm, giving me a very limited window to access power - often when bays are already full.’


The civil enforcement officer’s notes and photographs establish that this vehicle was parked in this adequately signed permit holder's only electric vehicle charging bay The vehicle was charging. The vehicle did not display the necessary permit.

The sign stated -Electric vehicle recharging point only. The upright sign contains the “P” symbol and the electric vehicle. The prescribed legend is “Electric vehicle recharging point only”. Permit holders only (description of permit types). Maximum stay 24 hours, no return in 24 hours. You must be actively charging to park in this bay.


There may be mitigating circumstances that do make the rigorous application of the law inappropriate. The law however does not give me as an adjudicator authority to cancel a PCN on the ground of mitigation alone.

The appeal is refused.

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #24 on: »
Thanks againfor that; so I am appealing on the basis of the exemption of assisted alighting in a Resident Bay, the no charging part just doesn't apply

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #25 on: »
Appeal submitted; will update accordingly

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #26 on: »
You should have posted a draft.

To be clear, my view is that the wrong contravention was given. It could only have been Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit where required.

Let's see what they come back with. It's only the informal challenge.

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #27 on: »
Sorry, bit eager. I will update when I get a reply.

Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #28 on: »
My appeal:
I am appealing the issued PCN on the basis below

Contravention didn't occur:
The act of not charging cannot apply to a non-permit holder as I was not entitled to park in this bay as I do not hold a resident's permit for this zone.
A correct contravention would have been parked without a valid permit, which would also have been correct had I been charging

Contravention didn't occur: I was engaged in assisted boarding of my daughter from 20.20 and took only as only as long as necessary.

My daughter is neurodiverse and was attending a concert as the Roundhouse with school friends. Her condition dictates that she needs to be accompanied by a responsible adult. I took her to the Roundhouse, made sure she got inside safely and handed her over to another responsible adult (another parent). When I returned to the car at circa 20.35 I saw the window ticket.

Camden's Traffic Order for the location states assisted alighting in this location as an exemption. This exemption includes assisted boarding or alighting where the driver needs to leave the vehicle, as long as the driver leaves the vehicle only for so long as is necessary to convey the passenger to the nearby premises where they are going and then returns to move his car without delay. This is what happened on this occasion

Assisted alighting exemption does not require a blue badge but I am attaching my daughters Access Card (details redacted) which is proof of disability and shows the need for a companion I trust you will cancel the PCN and send confirmation Thank you


Appeal Rejected Response below

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Re: Code 14a Camden
« Reply #29 on: »
Would appreciate some assistance with formal appeal (if that's the right course to take) when I receive the NTO