Author Topic: Code 12r -parked in a residents' space without a permit /Great Marlboroough Street (City of Westmiinster)  (Read 183 times)

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Dear All,

Thank you for reading this post.

1. Council name: City of Westmiinster
   The alleged contravention: Code 12r Parked in a residents'space without a permit
   Location : Great Marlborough Street (G1)            
   PCN given at the vehicle windscreen


2. the vehicle parked a the dot line bay,
   I don't see any signage when I get off.
   When I return there is a ticket on the windscreen.
   I found that
   There is only 1 signage at the begining of dot line.
   There is a Big Mercedes V-class 7 seater in front of my car (shown in the picture) ,
   16:15pm actually is more dark than the picture shown.


 In this case, is there any ground for appeal ?
 1. inadequate signage
    Only 1 signage at the begining of the place 
    I can only see the side edge of the signage and it is block by the V-class mercedes
    the signage with no time period
    no evidence show the signage position with the vehicle

2. The payment advise slip is not clear
   there is overlapped and can not see my registration clearly
   PCN -FRONT


Thank you for all of your attention to this issue and advise in advance.
Happy new year !


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To be frank, you have virtually nothing that would form a robust appeal at London Tribunals, and any reps you submit to Westminster will be rejected.

You parked in a well-marked out parking bay. There is a sign for it located at the end. Whilst it would have been better practice if the council had placed a sign at each end, they are not obliged to. The bay is not hugely long, being 25.2 metres in length.  When parking in a marked bay the onus is on the motorist to find out if there are any restrictions on the use of the bay by looking for the controlling sign.

The sign has no days or hours for the restriction which means it applies 24x7

The payment advice slip is not printed very well, but is not part of the PCN, it's an 'add-on' for convenience.

Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear, but it is reality. However don't rush to pay the discount, as you have 14 days from the 1st January. There could be a 'technical' appeal based on Westminster mismananagment of the enforcement process. Such appeals have nothing to do with the actual contravention, but by their nature, are usually dealt with at London Tribunals, so the full PCN penalty of £160 would be in play.  However, our Mr Hippocrates has been very successful with such appeals so wait a bit, but don't miss the deadline for the discount if you are minded to pay it.

Final thing - is the car yours and are you the holder of the VC Registration Certificate ?

To be frank, you have virtually nothing that would form a robust appeal at London Tribunals, and any reps you submit to Westminster will be rejected.

You parked in a well-marked out parking bay. There is a sign for it located at the end. Whilst it would have been better practice if the council had placed a sign at each end, they are not obliged to. The bay is not hugely long, being 25.2 metres in length.  When parking in a marked bay the onus is on the motorist to find out if there are any restrictions on the use of the bay by looking for the controlling sign.

The sign has no days or hours for the restriction which means it applies 24x7

The payment advice slip is not printed very well, but is not part of the PCN, it's an 'add-on' for convenience.

Sorry if this is not what you wanted to hear, but it is reality. However don't rush to pay the discount, as you have 14 days from the 1st January. There could be a 'technical' appeal based on Westminster mismananagment of the enforcement process. Such appeals have nothing to do with the actual contravention, but by their nature, are usually dealt with at London Tribunals, so the full PCN penalty of £160 would be in play.  However, our Mr Hippocrates has been very successful with such appeals so wait a bit, but don't miss the deadline for the discount if you are minded to pay it.

Final thing - is the car yours and are you the holder of the VC Registration Certificate ?

Thank you for your reply!
you mean there is a chance in 'technical' appeal at London Tribunals stage ?

Yes, the vehicle is mine and I am the holder of the VC registrration Certificate.
Thank you for your advise again !

Wait and see if 'Hippocrates' posts a possible appeal. Do be aware that this will inevitably mean the matter would be dealt with at London Tribunals with the full PCN penalty in play. Nil to pay if you win, obviously. There are no additional costs if you take the matter to LT, just the PCN penalty if you lose.

Any PCN can be challenged at the tribunal at full rate and along the way authorities may make procedural mistakes or not contest at tribunal.

What made you think there could be a free parking bay in central London?

Paying the discount best in my view.

Any PCN can be challenged at the tribunal at full rate and along the way authorities may make procedural mistakes or not contest at tribunal.

What made you think there could be a free parking bay in central London?

Paying the discount best in my view.

Thank you all of yous' reply and advise.
I will take all of your adivise to consider paying the discoount or
it is worth taking risk to challenge at tribunal.

Thank you again !