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Challenge a PCN issued in Redbridge
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On the 20th of November 2024 I parked in a marked parking bay, I alighted my vehicle and followed the signs to the ticket machine, at the other end was another sign pointing back where I had just come from saying the ticket machine was back that way. As I got back to my car a Parking Enforcement Officer was standing next to it, I told him I had only parked less than a minute ago and I was looking for the machine or which app I should use, he said "pay by phone" so I stood in front of him, opened my PayByPhone app and paid for my parking session. When I returned I had received a PCN so I opened the app to see if my session had expired, there was still 10 minutes remaining, another Enforcement Officer was nearby, I showed him my parking session and told him what had happened, he said, "if I had issued that ticket I could cancel it but I didn't and I can't". He then went on to say, "the ticket machine was removed two days ago and they also removed all the RingGo app signs at the same time, you needed to use RingGo to park in this bay". I challenged the PCN with detailed evidence, pictures of the bay with no ticket machine or RingGo app signs anywhere but it was rejected. My wife (I was using her car) got a Notice to Owner saying she must pay the full penalty charge as it is her car.
Firstly, is my wife really liable given that I have already submitted a written statement saying that I was the driver of the car when the alleged offence took place. If that is the case then if I murdered someone with one of her kitchen knives would she be responsible, (for the record I do not support violence of any kind and would never do such a thing).
Secondly, should I pay this fine as I feel that I was deliberately misled by the Enforcement Officer who watched me use the PayByPhone app to book my parking session and didn't attempt to alert me to the error I was making, then a few minutes later he issued the PCN and cleared off.
I was able to prove that during the course of the day I parked in several bays around the area and all of them I paid for my parking sessions, some were PayByPhone, some were RingGo but ALL were in Redbridge.
What other information do you need to see to assist me with this matter?
Thank you in advance for your help.

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Re: Challenge a PCN issued in Redbridge
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Can you break your original post down into bullet point of just what happened and give the date your wife got the Notice to owner please. 

Yes she can be held liable if your informal reps were unsuccessful and her formal reps and appeal are rejected

Re: Challenge a PCN issued in Redbridge
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And don’t take it personally but most councils routinely reject informal reps.

Please can you also show a copy of your informal reps and their rejection (it might have gone into a junk folder if by email)

Re: Challenge a PCN issued in Redbridge
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Redbridge uses RingGo not PayByPhone.

The registered keeper presumed owner is liable for PCNs.

Appeals are allowed at the Tribunal on this - councils must make the payment system clear and there really shouldn't be a company called PatByPhone. I would caution though that not all adjudicators may see it this way - the last case below was refused but a personal hearing armed with facts about the signage can be persuasive.All three allowed appeals are by the same adjudicator but there are other cases.

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Case Details
Case reference 2240524380
Appellant David Lazarus
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM EU68OCA

PCN Details
PCN AF07961254
Contravention date 16 Sep 2024
Contravention time 13:46:00
Contravention location Belgrave Road
Penalty amount GBP 80.00
Contravention Parked without payment of the parking charge

Referral date -

Decision Date 08 Jan 2025
Adjudicator Martin Hoare
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons Mr Lazarus attended his appeal hearing. The Council did not attend. He relied on his appeal notice :’ I parked my car in Ilford and looked at sign and it read Pay by Phone. I have the App and paid via the app in good faith. If there was a sign about RingGo then I would have paid via that app! After appealing, the Council stated that they only operate with RingGo and this would have been clearly displayed at the location. This is not true’.
According to the Authority’ The signage also provides a telephone number which is for RingGo. This indicates that the motorist may pay and dìsplay or 'Pay by phone'. The phone number is given for those who wish to pay by phone. This does not indicate that the motorist may use the proprietary PayByPhone App.'
Mr Lazarus used his app which is called ‘Pay by Phone’ as a trading name. The Council photographs show the sign facing the carriageway which Mr Lazarus relied on to make his payment. It reads ‘pay by phone’. He reasonably concluded that this meant he could use his app called ‘pay by phone’.
Although the Council photographs show the rear of a suspended pay machine with Rin Go logos, this was not seen by Mr Lazarus as he properly relied on the conspicuous ‘pay by phone’ sign facing him.
The Council has not established that the signage was adequate.
The appeal is allowed.

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Case reference 2240441589
Appellant Simple Self Drive
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM LX23UDG

PCN Details
PCN AF07626227
Contravention date 04 Jul 2024
Contravention time 13:46:00
Contravention location High Road
Penalty amount GBP 80.00
Contravention Parked without payment of the parking charge

Referral date -

Decision Date 20 Dec 2024
Adjudicator Martin Hoare
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons Simple submitted that the driver bought a ticket using an app, for which payment evidence was provided.
The pay machine instructions were not clear and hence payment was not made via the app used by the Authority.
The Authority explained ‘The proof provided by the appellant shows that they validated a parking session via the, pay Byphone' app. We do not use 'PayByPhone' operator to have our parking session valìdated but use 'RingGo'. Further ‘The machines at the location has been covered up as we no longer operate via machine however, the machines do advise use RingGo if the machines are out of order’.
The civil enforcement officer’s contemporaneous photographs, include images of the signage in place at the time payment was made. There is no clear, legible payment instruction which mandates payment by phone only using a certain app.
The Authority evidence on this occasion does not establish that the payment instructions and signage were adequate in this aspect. Adequate payment instructions and signage are a prerequisite for lawful enforcement.
The appeal is allowed.

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Case reference 2240373627
Appellant Susannah Clegg
Authority London Borough of Lambeth
VRM KU61HFV

PCN Details
PCN LJ30420089
Contravention date 06 Jun 2024
Contravention time 09:39:00
Contravention location Gordon Grove
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit

Referral date -

Decision Date 04 Nov 2024
Adjudicator Martin Hoare
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons Miss Clegg explained that she paid to park, as established by her receipt.
The Council submitted ‘Unfortunately, the wrong app was used to pay for parking. The app used in Lambeth to pay for parking sessions is the ‘Pay by phone’ app - not the app Miss Clegg used – which is for another London borough (Hackney).’
The Council photographs do not demonstrate that the signage indicates that only payment by using s currently exclusive provider confers a right to park.
Hence the use of another provider arose due to the absence of adequate signage in place.

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Case reference 2240435553
Appellant Khadijha Rahman
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM GU15BYR

PCN Details
PCN AF07525911
Contravention date 11 Jun 2024
Contravention time 11:52:00
Contravention location Eastwood Road
Penalty amount GBP 80.00
Contravention Parked without payment of the parking charge

Referral date -

Decision Date 28 Oct 2024
Adjudicator Herjinder Mann
Appeal decision Appeal refused
Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons 1. This was a personal appeal via the telephone.
2. The Appellant states that she made a payment via the PaybyPhone system. The confirmation that she received did not display the location details. She now understands that payment should have been via RingGo. She says that there is a lack of clarity and the sign does not state that payment must be via RingGo.
3. The Enforcement Authority submit that the Appellant’s vehicle was parked without a valid parking ticket or payment registered on the Ring Go system on the 11th June 2024 in Eastwood Road, Goodmayes. The civil enforcement officer states that they checked the RingGo system three times. They submit that the appellant paid by the PayByPhone company which is not the permitted method at this location. They say that the sign provides a phone number by which payments are to be made. They have provided a photograph of the signage at the location.
4. I have seen photographic evidence of the road sign indicating the methods of payment. The sign gives the times of operation and states “Pay by phone” followed with a telephone number. I find that the method of payment is clearly specified.
5. I find that the sign is clear in relation to the method of payment by making a payment by calling a phone number. There is no reference to using the PayByPhone company.
6. I accept that the Appellant did make a payment via the Pay By Phone app and she did intend to pay for the parking. The circumstances that the Appellant found herself in and her assumption amount to mitigation which I am unable to take into account. Although the Appellant did make a payment for parking, she did not pay via the telephone number provided. The Pay by Phone app is not used by the enforcement authority at this location.
7. As the payment was not made in the manner prescribed, I find that there has been a contravention. It is the driver’s responsibility to ensure that they follow the instructions on the road sign. It is not for the Appellant to choose the app by which to pay and in these circumstances the payment was not made to the Enforcement Authority.
8. I therefore refuse this appeal and determine that the penalty charge is payable by the Appellant.
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Re: Challenge a PCN issued in Redbridge
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Another allowed one but by a different adjudicator. Note all these cases are in Redbridge - other councils tend to put RingGo signs up by parking signs.

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Case Details
Case reference   2240384044
Appellant   Shoji Yana
Authority   London Borough of Redbridge
VRM   GV17KNN
PCN Details
PCN   AF0750996A
Contravention date   06 Jun 2024
Contravention time   13:32:00
Contravention location   ILFORD LANE
Penalty amount   GBP 80.00
Contravention   Parked without payment of the parking charge
Referral date   -
Decision Date   25 Sep 2024
Adjudicator   Sean Stanton-Dunne
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.

Reasons   
Miss Yana has attended the hearing today by telephone.

This PCN was issued for the alleged contravention of being parked in Ilford Lane at 1.31pm on 6 June 2024 without payment of the parking charge.

I have looked at the CEO’s images. These show that Miss Yana's car was parked in a bay which was clearly signed as being for pay by phone or pay and display parking during the controlled hours. The pay by phone option provides a number and location code of 7172.

Miss Yana appeals because she used the Pay by Phone App to make a payment to park at location 7172. Miss Yana submits a screenshot showing the payment made for the correct location code. The parking session commenced at 12.38pm and remained current at the time of issue of the PCN.

The Council’s evidence is that the payment system for this location is the Ringo App and not the Pay by Phone App.

There is no notice on the post with the sign telling the motorist which App they must use or telling the motorist to go to the machine for App details. The sign just says pay by phone.

In the absence of any notice with the parking sign either showing the App to use or directing the motorist to inspect the pay and display machine, it was, in my judgement, reasonable for Miss Yana to conclude that she could pay by phone using the Pay by Phone App. It is also clear from the evidence that a payment to park for this location code had been made. For those reasons, I find that the alleged contravention did not occur.


Re: Challenge a PCN issued in Redbridge
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What are the thoughts on all of the decisions going one way with the exception of one adjudicator? How scared would you be if you were to have an upcoming case with that adjudicator and are in part relying on precedent.

Is there any way to search case decisions by adjudicator?
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