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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #60 on: »
Ah, I thought I had to send by paper at this stage. So, which option do I choose?

Representation Reason
A       -  The alleged Contravention did not occur
B    I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time of contravention
        -  I had sold the vehicle before that date
        -  I had bought the vehicle after that date
        -  I have never owned that vehicle
C       -  The vehicle was taken without my consent
D       -  We are a hire firm and have supplied details
E       -  The Penalty Charge exceeds the relevant amount
F       -  There has been a procedural impropriety by the Enforcement Authority
G       -  The traffic order contravened is invalid
H       -  The Notice should not have been served because the Penalty Charge had already been paid
I       -  Other
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #61 on: »
A
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #62 on: »
So, tick A and add this text:

Dear Havering

I require you to consider my initial challenge as formal representations against the EN. In addition, the video does not support the alleged contravention as there is no evidence of any upright signage allegedly passed and the signage as seen is not fit for purpose. Please cancel therefore.

Yours

Thanks, I just want to make sure I get this 100%
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #63 on: »
Dear Havering

I require you to consider my initial challenge as formal representations against the EN. In addition, the video does not support the alleged contravention as there is no evidence of any upright signage allegedly passed and the signage as seen is not fit for purpose.

Further, the EN conflates two entirely separate concepts - service with delivery. They are not necessarily the same.

Please cancel therefore.

Yours
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #64 on: »
Do you want me to upload any supporting evidence?
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #65 on: »
Quote from: JulianV on December 24, 2025, 02:35:09 pm
Do you want me to upload any supporting evidence?

Not necessary. Just keep your own record please. Have a good break.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #66 on: »
Rejection letter received today.

Can you assist with the text for the appeal to the London Tribunals please?

https://cdn.imgpile.com/p/b5qswb2
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #67 on: »
Hey guys, time is up today!

Can you please let me know what I should write to the tribunal?

thanks

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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #68 on: »
Deadline looks to be Wednesday (18 February). That's the last day of 28 days starting with (presumed) date of service of NoR (22 January).

But best to get something drafted asap and not leave to last minute.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #69 on: »
You can just register the appeal - opt for an online or telephone hearing.

I would just say:

I rely on my representations and note for the adjudicator that the notice of rejection does not address them.

Which I think is true?
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #70 on: »
I think that is accurate. They failed to address my point about the signs, merely stating "there are multiple clear traffic signs....at this location". They did not mention the evidence I submitted to the contrary.

They did not comment on my point about timing.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #71 on: »
Can anyone add anything further? Or is that one sentence pretty much it?

Thanks all.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #72 on: »
You don't have to do anything other than register the appeal. You can upload other material later to support your representations. I can't see there is anything to say at this stage other than what I suggested. If they contest they will send you a case summary you can respond to with the adjudicator.
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Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #73 on: »
As said above, the 18th is the deemed date of service. I am dealing with two High Court issues at present and will help you draft your appeal. Please PM me your e mail address. I simply do not have the time to advise on here and do all the other necessary chores in daily life. As this is a bus lane case, I'll make an exception and offer my free services.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Bus Lane, under one minute past 16:00.
« Reply #74 on: »
Thanks
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