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You've now mentioned another PCN, JK17310112.

You say you have NTOs and charge certificates for both JK17310112 and JK17309044.

Your problem is that failing to act after service of an NTO leaves you no legal recourse. I presume you made no representations to Southwark for either of these?

All you can do is ask Southwark to consider late reps but you say:

I am also seeking confirmation of the current status of JK17309044 and JK17310112

But we know the status - both are showing online at charge certificate stage, £165 each.


Once matters get beyond the OfR stage, you'll be getting bailiff letters.

The first is the Compliance stage, and adds £75 to what you owe the council.

If the bailiffs visit you, another £235 is added on.

I should have posted about this sooner. On 1st May 2026, bailiff fees were increased. The compliance stage fee of £75 is now £79. The enforcement fee of £235 has also risen to £247.

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Once matters get beyond the OfR stage, you'll be getting bailiff letters.

The first is the Compliance stage, and adds £75 to what you owe the council.

If the bailiffs visit you, another £235 is added on.

I should have posted about this sooner. On 1st May 2026, bailiff fees were increased. The compliance stage fee of £75 is now £79. The enforcement fee of £235 has also risen to £247.

These Regulations make provisions under Schedule 12 to the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 (c. 15) (β€œthe Act”).
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Thanks for letting us know.


I've now received the Subject Access Request from Southwark and uploaded the pdf here:
Google Docs · drive.google.com


The SAR confirms there was a filming suspension on Amelia Street on 25 September 2025. More importantly, it contains Southwark's own photographs showing my vehicle in the suspended residents' bay, the suspension notices on the vehicle, the council removal truck alongside it, and then photographs showing the vehicle after it had been relocated to Crampton Street.

From what I can see, the council relocated the vehicle from a residents' permit bay on Amelia Street into a Pay by Phone bay on Crampton Street. The subsequent PCNs were then issued while the vehicle remained in that Pay by Phone bay.

The council have also confirmed there were no additional notes relating to my vehicle, but the SAR does include the suspension records and the photographs documenting the relocation.

I'd really appreciate your thoughts on where this leaves me. In particular:

* Does this change the position now that the relocation appears to be evidenced by the council's own records?
* If the council relocated the vehicle into a Pay by Phone bay, should the subsequent PCNs have been issued at all?
* Is this now something I should pursue through Southwark's complaints process and seek reimbursement for the PCN I've paid, or is there another route I should be considering?

Many thanks again for all your help.

So, finally you've got to where we knew you were going i.e. no theft, just a plain and simple c**k-up on the council's part.



IMO, your only course is extra-procedural i.e. lies outside parking enforcement procedure and regulations.

If you are certain of your ground then I suggest something along the following lines.

You need to write to the Head of Parking Services and copy to the Head of Legal Services.

Re: PCNs *****, ******  etc.

As your records show, the above PCNs were issued to my car whilst parked in contravention in a Pay and Display bay in ******. Enforcement has now progressed to the following stages:

PCN No.      Stage
*****      ******
*****      ******

The PCNs were issued when the car was stationary between the dates of *** and ***.

Had the car been under my control when it was relocated, then I accept that the council might have a legitimate claim for the penalties.

But it was not under my control.

As the council's own records show(released under a Subject Access Request), the council removed my vehicle from Amelia ** and left it in a Pay to Park bay in ****.(1)

Why the council chose to reposition my car to a location where it was immediately in breach of the prevailing parking restriction, I have no idea. But what I do know is that all penalties demanded subsequently are surely unenforceable. I accept that my actions subsequent to the PCNs being issued have been less than ideal, but this doesn't justify the council's initial action.

I therefore request that you cease all enforcement immediately and if you will not cancel the PCNs then let us enter into a meaningful dialogue before this story finds its way into the public realm. 

Yours

(1) I am still unclear as to when you paid the PCN which was issued in Amelia. Part of your account suggests you saw your car in contravention but didn't take action. Maybe I've misread it. But in any event, the council cannot reward itself by placing your car in contravention and then demanding penalties.
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The PCN I paid was JK17263522 following the Order for Recovery. I don't believe I ever paid an Amelia Street PCN because I have never been sent one. All the PCNs I've seen relate to Crampton Street.

Thank you again for all the time you've spent helping me with this.

Based on the advice I've received, I think the appropriate route now is to write to the Strategic Director responsible for Parking Services and copy in the Head of Law, relying on the evidence disclosed in the SAR rather than the parking enforcement process itself.

I've drafted the letter below. Before I send it, I'd be very grateful if anyone could cast an eye over it and let me know if there's anything you would change, add or remove.

Many thanks again.

**For the attention of:**

Aled Richards
Strategic Director, Environment, Sustainability and Leisure

**Copied to:**

Sarah Feasey
Head of Law

**Re: PCNs JK17263522, JK17298185, JK17309044 and JK17310112 – relocation of vehicle by Southwark Council**

Dear Mr Richards,

I write following receipt of Southwark Council's response to my Subject Access Request relating to the above Penalty Charge Notices.

Having now reviewed the material supplied by the Council, it is clear that the factual basis on which these PCNs were issued is fundamentally different from that previously understood.

The Council's own records confirm that:

* my vehicle was lawfully parked in a residents' permit bay on Amelia Street;
* a filming suspension was subsequently introduced on 25 September 2025;
* Council officers attended and photographed the vehicle in the suspended bay;
* the vehicle was then relocated by the Council from Amelia Street; and
* following that relocation, the vehicle was left in a Pay by Phone bay on Crampton Street, where the subsequent PCNs were issued.

These are not matters of recollection or assumption. They are demonstrated by the Council's own suspension records and photographs disclosed under the Subject Access Request.

At no stage was the vehicle under my control when it was relocated. The Council made the decision as to where the vehicle should be placed.

Had I personally parked the vehicle in a Pay by Phone bay and left it there without payment, I would understand why enforcement action followed. However, that is not what occurred.

Instead, the Council chose to relocate a residents' permit holder's vehicle into a location where it immediately became liable to enforcement. The subsequent penalties arose solely because of the location selected by the Council.

I fully acknowledge that my handling of the later enforcement process was less than ideal. In particular, I did not pursue an appeal following the Notice of Rejection relating to PCN JK17263522, and I have now paid that PCN in order to avoid further enforcement action and the substantial additional costs associated with the Order for Recovery process.

However, payment was made solely to prevent further enforcement and should not be taken as an admission that the underlying liability was properly incurred.

The Council's own evidence now demonstrates that the sequence of events began with the Council relocating my vehicle. In those circumstances, I ask the Council to consider whether it is fair or lawful for penalties to have arisen as a direct consequence of that relocation.

I therefore request that the Council:

1. Immediately cease enforcement of any outstanding PCNs arising from the relocation.
2. Cancel any outstanding penalties associated with the vehicle following its relocation to Crampton Street.
3. Refund the payment made in respect of PCN JK17263522.
4. Explain why the vehicle was relocated to a Pay by Phone bay rather than to an equivalent residents' permit bay or another lawful location.

I hope the Council will now review this matter in light of its own records and resolve it without the need for a formal complaint to the Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman or any further escalation.

I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,


To emphasise the point, I would make a slight change as follows:

'..the vehicle was left in contravention :o in a Pay by Phone bay..'