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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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So far you've posted
the PCN (front page only) twice (original post and post #14), over-redacted (only redact your name and address, leave reg.mark and PCN number in).

Your challenge (original post)
and

The rejection (front page only) (post#1).

Please post the all pages of the PCN (only redact your name and address, leave reg.mark and PCN number in).
and all pages of the rejection.

Your post #9, which claimed to contain the rejection but contained a pdf of the second(?) page of the PCN(?), seemed to imply that the back of the rejection was blank and there were no further pages with it. If this is the case, contact Havering asap and ask for them. If you have the remaing pages, please post them up.



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« Last Edit: July 24, 2023, 08:49:03 am by John U.K. »
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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morning,  apologies for the hash of this,  ive uploaded again the pcn and the back of it and a third sheet , plus the rejection letter. 
I have tried to speak to someone at havering and its a absolute nightmare to get hold of anyone on the phone, you have to push numbers and takes you through to automated services.

https://imgur.com/a/qimhiLg


There is no second page of the rejection letter,  im not sure if there should be but i would think they would sign off the letter wouldn't they.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2023, 10:04:14 am by maisiethecat »
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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There is no second page of the rejection letter,  im not sure if there should be but i would think they would sign off the letter wouldn't they.

There would definitely be more to the rejection letter. I assume you're telephoning the number on the letter?
I can only suggest you keep trying, but others here may have better ideas.

Have you an e-mail address for them?
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
« Reply #18 on: »
hi ive tried again this morning, but whatever option i choose i cannot actually speak to anybody.  I will see if i can find a email address, otherwise i will have to send a postal letter to them
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
« Reply #19 on: »
ive had a google and manage to submit a query online and have asked if they can email or at least call me due to the time constraints whether there was a second page.   
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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ive found this document on the havering website which is the  'Discretion Policy for the Enforcement and Cancellation of Penalty Charge''  I've attached the document.

on page 89 it does state the following

''MC46 - Where the motorist claims they were forced into the bus lane.

MAY ACCEPT REPRESENTATIONS
Where the CCTV footage shows an emergency vehicle approaching.
Where the CCTV footage evidences oncoming traffic forcing the driver into the bus
lane.
Where an obstruction in the road can be seen in the footage.

MAY REJECT REPRESENTATIONS
 On all other occasions

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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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Quote from: maisiethecat on July 24, 2023, 09:59:34 am
There is no second page of the rejection letter,  im not sure if there should be but i would think they would sign off the letter wouldn't they.
Are you saying the back of the letter is blank?
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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hi yes there is nothing on the back of the letter which rejects my appeal to the pcn.   

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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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At this point I would just wait for the Enforcement Notice and post it up on here when you get it.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
« Reply #24 on: »
OK thankyou,   i need to google, is there a time period that happens,  and i guess once that is issued by the parking/council then the full amount is payable?
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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Quote from: maisiethecat on July 24, 2023, 11:23:10 pm
OK thankyou,  i need to google, is there a time period that happens,  and i guess once that is issued by the parking/council then the full amount is payable?
There's a six-month cut off, but it's unlikely they'll wait that long.

The EN will demand the full penalty, but if you challenge it within 14 days they will re-offer the discount, they always do to give you an incentive not to appeal.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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thanks, i found some details on the london tribunals website.  ive posted the link as it may help someone in the future

appreciate all the advice

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/bus-lane-pcn-enforcement-process
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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i received the enforcement notice today,  £130.00 to pay now.

the council never replied to my email on why missing second page.   i have confirmation that i mailed them with a reference. 

« Last Edit: August 19, 2023, 10:39:58 pm by maisiethecat »
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
« Reply #28 on: »
Please post clears cans of all pages of the Enforcement Notice. Sometimes they contain fatal errors.
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Re: Bus lane PCN for havering, moved into bus lane for oncoming traffic and issued with a PCN
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evening all, ive uploaded the enforcement notice.  appreciate any help
hopefully this link works

https://imgur.com/a/SSOkmhQ


thanks

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