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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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Quote from: Incandescent on January 13, 2025, 05:17:43 pm
NtOs must be served within 6 months from date of alleged contravention. This essentially mimics the limit on a summons to magistrates courts of 6 months.
It's actually six months from the date of service of the PCN, which may or may not be the same as the data of the contravention.
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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Quote from: cp8759 on January 13, 2025, 05:59:00 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on January 13, 2025, 05:17:43 pm
NtOs must be served within 6 months from date of alleged contravention. This essentially mimics the limit on a summons to magistrates courts of 6 months.
It's actually six months from the date of service of the PCN, which may or may not be the same as the data of the contravention.
Sorry I got this a bit wrong !
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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Actually, the 'relevant date' is the date on which the PCN was served.

2) A notice to owner may not be served after the expiry of the period of 6 months beginning with the relevant date.

d)in any other case, is the date on which the relevant penalty charge notice was served under regulation 9.
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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Quote from: mickR on January 13, 2025, 05:37:43 pm
Quote from: Grant Urismo on January 13, 2025, 11:22:51 am
Only the people at the council know how busy they are. There's no imminent statutory deadline, so you just have to wait.
er, no it's 6 months

...which isn't imminent, so the OP just has to wait.
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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Then if I don't get it after 6 months what happens? Does it automatically get cancelled?  :D  :D  :D  :D
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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Quote from: FuzzedRinggit on January 13, 2025, 09:41:21 pm
Then if I don't get it after 6 months what happens? Does it automatically get cancelled?  :D  :D  :D  :D
They may try it on, and serve one to you, but if its over the time limit, you just submit reps that it is Out-of-Time, and they should then cancel it. If they don't you take them to London Tribunals, win, and ask for costs because they would have passed the test of acting "wholly unreasonably".
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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So this letter arrived today. The letter makes it sound like that because it's free to park, they don't need a Parking 'P' sign. Is that true?

What do I do now? It doesn't make it clear what I need to do other than pay it which I'm presuming I shouldn't do!!

Thanks for your help everyone.



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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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The letter makes it sound like that because it's free to park, they don't need a Parking 'P' sign. Is that true?

Free for what class of vehicles, motorcycles, HGVs, buses, taxis etc?

It's nonsense and they either know and are being deceitful or don't know and are being stupid. Either is not acceptable for a public body empowered to penalise motorists.

Carry on IMO.

There's another current thread where the authority adopted the General Melchett approach(Blackadder Goes Forth) i.e. 'If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us [the authority] through' only to cancel the PCN once the owner on our advice had registered their appeal with the adjudicator at which point the authority, as with all bullies who suddenly realise that they're no longer judges in their own cause, cancelled the PCN.

But when they do in your case don't expect an apology.
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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 ;D

I am particularly liking the General Melchett analogy!

I will carry on and appeal further, and of course update here. I wish there was a compensation scheme for the amount of time this has taken but more to the point, I'm not vulnerable and I can spend the time and effort battling this. There are thousands of people who must be trapped in having to pay an illegal ticket, and that's not fair.

Thanks again for your help Mr Andersen.
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Hello all

This may seem like a silly question, but I am going to appeal this officially but I can't work out how to do it?

There's nothing on the letter that came back with my appeal and when I log on to the Bromley website it just asks about an 'appeal' which I've already done.

If I am taking this further, where do I go to lodge the appeal please?

Thank you.
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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I think that letter is a reply to your letter following up their initial rejection.

You haven't yet been served with an NTO? Confirm this.

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No I don't think I have (NTO = Notice of rejection?) The only letter I have received is this one above from the local authority so I presume no NTO.

I'll wait for that to arrive, thank you!
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Re: Bromley - PCN is this Not Parking Correctly within the markings of the bay?
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NTO is notice to owner and is the formal document served on the registered keeper.

I expect we've asked you but are you the keeper and is the V5C logbook address correct.

Nothing you can do until you get this.
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Yes I am and the addresses are correct. Thanks for your help.
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This is petty. I have checked the website and they are still asking for the £60.
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