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Re: Bromley, 31J Box Junction PCN
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@cp8759 :  do we have any cases in  support of the 28 days issue please?
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


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Re: Bromley, 31J Box Junction PCN
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Thanks cp.

Case Details
Case reference
2230446994

Appellant Commercial Plant Services Ltd
Authority London Borough of Bexley
VRM WX69 ZDE

PCN Details

PCN XL96297665
Contravention
date

04 Aug 2023

Contravention
time

07:33:00

Contravention
location

Bexley High Street

Penalty
amount

GBP 130.00

Contravention Fail comply prohibition on certain types vehicle
Referral date
Decision Date 13 Dec 2023
Adjudicator Edward Houghton
Appeal
decision

Appeal allowed

Back

Direction cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons
I heard this appeal by telephone speaking to the Appellants’ representative Mr Murray Smith.

I have considered the detailed submissions set out in his skeleton argument and the Council’s response.

I do not agree with Mr Murray Smith’s submission that the Council could not have reason to believe that the vehicle exceeded the weight limit until it had obtained details from the DVLA. The vehicle is clearly a very sizeable HGV and has every appearance of exceeding the limit-which in my view amounts to a good reason to believe that it does so.

However It seems to me that his submission that the PCN is defective is based on firmer ground. The PCN does indeed state that “any representations received by this authority outside the 28-day period mentioned above may be disregarded”. The 28-day period mentioned above is 28 days from the date of the notice; however the period required to be stated (under the terms of Schedule 1 Para 3 London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003) is 28 days from the date of service of the Notice. The wording used by the Council truncates the time allowed for making representations by two days. It is a well- known problem arising from the poor drafting of the legislation that whereas a Charge Certificate can in theory be issued after the expiry of 28 days from the date of the notice, a motorist has 28 days from the date of service of the notice during which representations must be considered. However cannot avoid the problem by stating anything other than what the legislation specifically requires. As the PCN in the present case is non-compliant np penalty may be demanded on the basis of it.

The Appeal is allowed for this reason and I do not feel it necessary to come to a decision on the other issues raised on behalf of the Appellants.

Authority
Response

I certify this to be a true copy of an entry in the register
« Last Edit: February 06, 2024, 11:36:57 pm by cp8759 »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Bromley, 31J Box Junction PCN
« Reply #17 on: »
Happy Days.   :) Won on both points.
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: Bromley, 31J Box Junction PCN
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: Bromley, 31J Box Junction PCN
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Thinking of costs. He had made his mind up already.  Just as well, as I had practically no voice!  Very pleased to say this is the 2nd one we have won this week, the other being a Bus Lane they DNCed.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bromley-code-34j-being-in-a-bus-lane-widmore-road/
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 02:47:00 pm by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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