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Cross-posting from Pepipoo as I wasn't aware of the recent site issues over there.

I took the wrong turning a few weeks back in Bristol, realised my error and turned around at first opportunity. Realise now I've received this that I drove in the CAZ for about 50 metres.

Looking at previous posts on here/Pepipoo, they have amended the letter template so they are mentioning that the 14 day period and 28 day period is from date of service.

The pictures on the middle and right hand side aren't of my car (either of the cars shown), but I assume that's immaterial. The left is my plate.

Is it still worth appealing citing Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council (DJ00037-2209, 10 November 2022)? (as per other posts). It's unclear if that is proving persuasive at appeal.

https://ibb.co/DfyCRQg

https://ibb.co/mRFhgMC

The other two pages are the appeal form, I can post if relevant but I assumed they weren't.
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Re: Bristol CAZ
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If the PCN issues have been addressed by Bristol as you say, then there soesn't seem to be much else to support an appeal. Hopefully our learned administrator, (CP8759), will comment soon.
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Still using 0870 'phone number.
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Let's see the other pages of the PCN please. They've obviously made some recent changes so we might as well check the whole document, but the 0870 issue still seems to be present.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Cheers, here's the other pages

https://ibb.co/McLSS8H
https://ibb.co/znQsSZC
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Hang on a minute - you say the photos on the PCN are not of your car? The PCN states those images are extracted from images which in the opinion of the Council establish the contravention. But the image extracts don't include your car? Isn't that all a bit shaky?
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I think we'd better see the video to clear away all doubt. BTW, photos are not obligatory on the PCN, but I don't think that would excuse them putting in the wrong car if you went to adjudication.
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To be clear, they have a cropped photo of my numberplate.

But the two images of cars aren't mine.
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Bristol doesn't put the video online.

For now I would just send this https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/bristol-clean-air-zone-pcn-17j-a4-ring-road-hotwell-road-(caz0001)-(route-to-bri/msg974/#msg974 and see what comes back.

Bristol City Council hasn't contested any CAZ appeals I have filed this year, so I'm not sure they want to fight it out.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Just as a note, I sent the reps yesterday, I'll keep you updated.

I received another PCN today, dated the 19th July, with the same PCN number but different photos (this time of my car). All details otherwise the same, so no idea if they realised the original photos they were sending out were wrong and reissued with new issue and service dates.
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Show us this new PCN please.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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You need to give us the PCN number and the number plate please. There's no point in hiding this, the council has this information already.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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The PCN and the plate are the same in both letters.

Happy to share by private message, but I don't want to leave them public if that's ok.

(A number plate is still personal data)
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So send me a PM please?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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