Author Topic: Brent PCN - contravention code 16 - Parked in permit space or zone..  (Read 80 times)

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Hi all :)

My mum had paid to park in what she thought was a pay and display zone, but saw this PCN on her car window when she exited the shops.

She then noticed that the double white line that separates the pay & display parking zone and the resident permit holders only parking zone was being obscured by the grey car you will see in the pictures in front of her. I got her to try and take a good picture of the car obscuring the line but her camera skills aren't the greatest!

Is there any way to appeal this? We have the receipt for her parking and it was a genuine mistake! I would appreciate any help you could give me.. £80 is an extortionate amount of money for this mistake!

Please let me know if you need any more information, or if any links aren't working. Thank you in advance!

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her car was parked where the black 7 seater is.

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Your photos come up too small, and are unzoomable. Can you please adjust them so we can look at a larger image.

Looking on GSV, we see this all the time. The recommended signing of bays like this is to put the two signs for the two bays side-by-side on a single pole placed at the dividing (dashed) line separating the two bays. Each sign should then have an arrow to indicate applicability. Appeals at London Tribunal have won in the past on this, but you have to risk the full PCN penalty to find out.

Thank you for pointing this out. I have amended the pictures and they should be full images now.

Have you also seen cases like this that weren't successful at tribunal as well? Risking having to pay the full £160 is such a daunting feeling.

The problem we have is that whilst the London Tribunals statutory register is on-line, it is not open for general searches, the items one can search on are limited. Have a look here: -
London Tribunals holds separate statutory registers for appeal cases heard by the Environment and Traffic Adjudicators and the Road User Charging Adjudicators. The registers can be accessed through...
London Tribunals · londontribunals.gov.uk


The basic fact is that in a case like yours, the chances of success cannot really be judged; certainly it's not what I call a "slam-dunk" win.  If you want to consider the matter, have a read of what the Earl of Montrose wrote: -

He either fears his fate too much,
Or his deserts are small,
That fears to put it to the touch
To win or lose it all.


Your mother* isn't at adjudication, she's yet to make risk-free informal reps which guarantee that the discount would be re-offered.

What I see as being the situation... Don't use it verbatim!

She parked; she saw the traffic sign ahead(as can be seen in the CEO's photos); she went to it and followed its directions, see payment receipt.She did not return to the car(parking rights being virtual).

She missed the end of bay marking because another car was parked on it as can be seen in the CEO's photo NB. not the one taken from the carriageway as my mother who is ** years old is not in the habit of wandering into the middle of the road to look at markings, but instead finds it safer to stay on the footway from which vantage point the markings were invisible because the grey car was wholly above them(if it had parked any closer to the kerb it would have been on the footway). Had the council followed best practice, including that set out in Chapter 3 of the Traffic Signs Manual, and placed a post with 2 signs on a single column indicating the point at which the restrictions changed then this issue would not have arisen.

I got her to try and take a good picture of the car obscuring the line but her camera skills aren't the greatest!  Then I suggest you do it! You need the lines from the vantage point of the footway, in particular the 12-18 inches measured from the kerb.