Author Topic: Brent, Code:31, Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, yellow box,Acton Lane/Mordaunt Road  (Read 928 times)

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Deadline to pay discount is not tomorrow. NOR fails to mention power of adj. to extend time. I would go with cp's advice above.

My apologies.

It is tomorrow.
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I am sorry, but I am counting 14 days as it says in the letter "beginning with the date of this rejection" so I can pay the reduced rate. Is that not right?
You are.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

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I don't see any unforeseeable event in the video, the van might in front of the bus might be pulling over or taking a left turn, it hardly matters.

The arguments I can see are:

1) De-minimis, the van behind the bus only stops for 5 / 6 seconds, but this is really the upper-limit for a de-minimis defence and won't be accepted by most adjudicators

2) Paperwork errors. The PCN makes a reference to the date of service right next to the payment periods, which is arguably ambiguous and confusing.

3) The website argument explained in the cases at rows 587 to 603 here.



The third point should only be raised at the tribunal stage, but given its success rate it's definitely worth running given Brent's website doesn't list any statutory grounds of appeal at all.

As a starting point please post all the remaining pages of the PCN so that we can check for further issues.



I have checked both cases mentioned above but I could not see anything relevant. I am sorry but it is so confusing.

@daisy Try this one:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1X8WGsVS-DSfY_ndf6VsbOTKUYO880bQG/view

Have you paid the discount? If not, it is Tribunal time.  Also, I do not think they have satisfactorily replied to the dates issue as they describe it as date of service.

The de minimis argument would not be accepted by some adjudicators at all. In fact, the ones who used to accept 2 to 3 seconds have now left.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2024, 09:11:31 am by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Yes,
I paid it last night.
Thanks for your time and support.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2024, 08:13:44 pm by daisy »

IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r