Author Topic: LBHF PCN - Stopping in yellow box junction - Uxbridge Rd near West of Holland Pk  (Read 67 times)

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From the outset, I am happy to pay the charge if my argument is flimsy and the contravention (as set out in the legislation) really did occur.

Background
Date of alleged contravention: 27.12.2025
Appealed within the allotted time
Rejection letter received dated 27.04.2026

I now have until 11.05.2026 to pay the reduced charge of £80. I would like to understand whether based on the facts, there is any merit to escalate to the tribunal stage?

From the driver's perspective, the traffic was flowing (ie not crawling) at the time I entered the yellow box junction. I reasonably expected to exit the box at the time of entry. However, there is a traffic light just in front of the box and the space between them can only accommodate three vehicles. I was the fourth vehicle so had to stop in the yellow box unexpectedly.

I had appealed that alleged contravention did not occur (the exact argument is set out in the notice of Rejection - see para 'Your challenge')

I attach the following with this message:
1. Original PCN dated 09.01.2026
2. Rejection letter dated 27.04.2026

I had made the representations online, and my argument is set out in the Rejection letter under the heading 'Your challenge'

3. Image from the video still showing the moment my vehicle entered the box junction
4. Video of alleged contravention


I should be grateful for any guidance, whether there is merit in the argument or if there is another reason that would justify escalating the matter to the next stage.

Many thanks.

Moment of box entry


Original PCN


Rejection letter




Video

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This YBJ must be a nice little earner for them ! Unfortunately, the video shows a classic contravention, namely you charged into the box with no hesitation at all, and got caught out this time. Next time, enter slowly, and as soon as things look to be going bad, tootle along VERY slowly in the hope the traffic ahead will start to move again.

There may be a 'technical' appeal based on H & F mismanagement of the enforcement process, so wait a bit to see what is suggested, but be aware these are inevitable dealt with at London Tribunals with the full PCN penalty in play.
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I agree you are unlikely to be able to overturn this just based on the footage.

Do you know what date you submitted your representations? The independent adjudicators have set out that any delay of more than 3 months for the council to reject your representations is likely to be unreasonable so that might be a potential argument for you.

See here:

Where a Enforcement Authority believes that a moving traffic contravention has occurred, it may serve a Penalty Charge Notice on the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle. This is...
London Tribunals · londontribunals.gov.uk


Given the original discount expired on 22 January, I'm thinking you may well have tried to get your reps in before that date? In which case a NOR issued on 27 April and presumed served on 29 April would technically be considered "late".
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The online rep was made on 11 January, so the NOR was definitely issued more than 3 months

The link you have shared is very helpful, thanks. It clearly states that "The adjudicators have decided that a Enforcement Authority should normally respond to representations within 3 months."

However, it also states that grounds for appeal remain unchanged, namely:

The grounds of appeal are the same as for making representations:

You were not the owner of the vehicle at the material time;
The alleged contravention did not occur;
The person in control of the vehicle at the material time was in control of it without the consent of the owner;
The recipient is a vehicle hire firm and the vehicle in question was, at the material time, hired under a qualifying hire agreement and the person hiring it had signed a statement of liability for any Penalty Charge Notice issued in respect of the vehicle during the term of the hire agreement;
The penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case.

As such, it is not clear what weight does late response by LBHF holds to contest this PCN.

If the outcome remains 50/50 the expected mathematical value of making the appeal remains equal to paying the discounted charge of £80.
Win = pay £0
Loss = pay £160
Expected value = (0 + 160) x 50% = £80

Unless you consider that win is likely above 50%, I am just better off paying the discounted fee.

What do you think?

H&F are under a duty to behave fairly, so if they do not the amount due in the circumstances of this case is zero.

I'll try and find a few previous cases won on this point.

Here's one (pretty sure there will be others, but the search functionality on London Tribunals isn't the greatest).  In this case, the original appeal was dismissed, but then overturned on review by a more experienced adjudicator purely due to the council taking longer than 3 months to reject and not giving any justification for the delay.

PCN   GX0883096A
Contravention date   20 Jul 2023
Contravention time   16:57:00
Contravention location   HANGER LANE / EALING VILLAGE W5
Penalty amount   GBP 160.00
Contravention   Entering and stopping in a box junction
Referral date   -
Decision Date   21 May 2024
Adjudicator   John Lane
Appeal decision   Appeal refused
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   
The issue of this appeal is whether the said vehicle entered and stopped within the box junction there owing to the presence of another stationary vehicle. It is a contravention if a person causes their vehicle to enter a box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.

To stop means to come to a stand as in the course of a journey, to halt or to cease moving.

The contravention was created by statute: Paragraph 11 of Part 7, Schedule 9 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD).

The contravention does not apply to any person

a) who causes a vehicle to enter the box junction (other than a box junction at a roundabout) for the purpose of turning right: and

b) stops it within the box junction for so long as it is prevented from completing the right turn by oncoming vehicles or other vehicles which are stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.

The appellant has stated the markings need to be removed from the location; Ealing Village is not a road. Transport for London responded to the appellant’s representations after the 56 days deadline.

I have considered fully the representations of both parties and I have examined carefully the video evidence provided by the local authority.

Did the appellant cause their vehicle to stop on the box junction because of the presence of another stationary vehicle?

I am satisfied by it that the appellant’s vehicle followed another vehicle onto the box junction. The first vehicle stopped and it prevented the appellant’s vehicle from clearing the box junction. Consequently, the appellant’s vehicle entered and stopped on the box junction owing to the presence of another stationary vehicle in front of it in circumstances other than the one permitted statutory exemption. Crucially the appellant’s vehicle did not wait outside the entrance to the box junction before entering the box junction. Had it done so and waited for a definite clear space there would have been no contravention. . It is not uncommon for traffic to proceed in a line onto the box junction but this is what box junctions try to prevent.

The appellant has asserted that the contravention did not occur.

As stated, had the appellant’s vehicle waited for clear space before entering the box junction then it would not have been affected by whatever occurred on the other side, such as a change of colour of traffic lights or pedestrians crossing the road or vehicles suddenly stopping.

A Box Junction is defined in Paragraph 11(6) of Part 7, Schedule 9 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD). It means the area of carriageway marked with yellow cross-hatching at a junction between two or more roads on which there has been placed the road marking shown in the diagram at item 25 of Schedule 9, part 6 of the TSRGD.

I am satisfied that the box junction in this case complies with paragraph 5 of Part 8 of the TSRGD.

A road is defined by section 142 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as any length of highway, or of any other road to which the public has access. I am not persuaded that the roads are not roads within the said definition.

I must find that the local authority was entitled to issue the penalty notice. The penalty notice in this case was issued under Section 6 of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003. The local authority is entitled to issue the penalty notice to the person appearing to them to be the owner of the vehicle concerned.

Paragraph 1(7) of Schedule 1 of the London Local Authorities Act 2003 states that it shall be the duty of the local authority to consider the appellant’s representations and serve on that person notice of their decision.

There is no statutory time limit, within which the local authority must serve the notice.

I am satisfied that the penalty notice expressed the correct penalty amount, a fixed penalty, fixed by law. It did not therefore exceed the relevant amount in all the circumstances of the case.

It follows that I must refuse the appeal.


Decision Date   07 Aug 2024
Adjudicator   Andrew Harman
Previous decision   Appeal refused
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.

Reasons   
This application by the appellants for review of the decision of the adjudicator made on 21/05/24 to refuse the appeal is listed before me today for determination they setting out the grounds in support thereof in their letter of 03/06/24.

The contravention alleged in these proceedings was that this vehicle at the junction of Hanger Lane and Ealing Village entered and stopped in a box junction when prohibited.

The appellants assert that the adjudicator failed to address their claim that Ealing Village was not a 'road'.

I note in passing that on 05/06/24 the parties were directed to make submissions on the definition of a road by reference to Bowen v Isle of Wight Council [2021] EWHC 3254 (Ch).

Neither party has complied with that direction and as I am unassisted by that lack of response I make no determination as the application of that decision.

The adjudicator in his decision stated: 'A road is defined by section 142 of The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 as any length of highway, or of any other road to which the public has access. I am not persuaded that the roads are not roads within the said definition'.

He therefore I find considered that matter and I am, in any event, satisfied on the authority's submissions of 26/06/24, made in response to the application, that Ealing Village is a 'road' within the definition of the 1984 Act.

In respect of the second ground for the application as to delay in service of the notice of rejection the appellants having raised that issue on appeal they making reference to guidance on the point provided on the tribunal's website.

The adjudicator correctly stated that there is no statutory time limit within which the authority must serve its notice of rejection.

The 56 day time frame in which it is required to do so only applies to parking penalty charges. It does not apply to box junction penalty charges such as this.

Whilst however there is no requirement that an authority respond to representations made on a box junction PCN within any set time limit it is on the decided cases required to act with due diligence and in a timely manner. Representations were received by the authority in this case on 29/08/23 it issuing a rejection notice letter on 08/02/24 well over five months later. That to my mind amounts to an inordinate delay and in the absence of any explanation being provided by the authority for it, and in the context of the guidance given on the tribunal's website, I am satisfied that the criteria set out above were not met and find that enforcement may not therefore be pursued. I allow the appeal.