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Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before it ended
« Reply #15 on: »
You made this far too complicated.

If it was as simple as you parked, got out and checked sign and phone and both said 9:15 that's all there is. You are entitled to check the parking sign.

If so I would go on to NTO stage.

Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before it ended
« Reply #16 on: »
yep i agree , i assumed i was allowed to check the sign , But the council disagree and are  Saying 02 contraventions allow 0 seconds grace .  and no grounds to drop the ticket .


they have sent a second letter also which i attach

https://postimg.cc/gallery/WtN2c1D


Lets see how fair the tribunal people are , worse case im extra £35 quid out of pocket .



Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before it ended
« Reply #17 on: »
The next stage is an NTO, not tribunal.

Why did you contact them again and what did you say? 

Is your logbook up to date?

The most you can pay is £70 if you lose at the tribunal.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2026, 07:43:04 pm by stamfordman »

Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before it ended
« Reply #18 on: »
The next stage is an NTO, not tribunal.

Why did you contact them again and what did you say? 

Is your logbook up to date?

The most you can pay is £70 if you lose at the tribunal.

i sent the following


Dear Miss Nurun Begum,

I am writing in response to your recent email regarding Penalty Charge Notice BM4454
I am dissatisfied with the response, as it appears to be a generic, template-based rejection and does not engage with the specific points I raised in my original representations. In particular:

I had not parked; I had momentarily stopped to check the signage safely on a busy road.

The timing of the alleged contravention was 09:14:45, just 15 seconds before the restriction ended at 09:15.

The Civil Enforcement Officer provided seven photographs, three of which were taken after 09:15, when parking was legally permitted. This raises questions as to whether the officer was aware of the correct restriction timings.

The CEO’s photograph of the sign is unclear and difficult to read, requiring digital zoom. In contrast, the photograph I submitted clearly shows that parking is permitted after 09:15, demonstrating that the council’s evidence is not reliable.

I also submitted two photographs taken while standing outside my vehicle to show that the signs cannot be easily read from a distance, particularly if a vehicle is not parked directly in front of them. This demonstrates that it is reasonable to allow a brief period for the driver to examine the signs, and that issuing a PCN seconds before the restriction ends, while the driver is checking, is premature and unfair.

The two restriction signs are not legible from the driver’s seat, requiring a momentary stop to confirm the restriction, which I carried out safely.

The council failed to properly exercise discretion, contrary to Birmingham City Council’s Civil Parking Enforcement Guidelines (including MC25).

The informal response does not address these substantive points and instead relies on generic statements about signage approval, zero-time contraventions, and the general responsibility of motorists.

I respectfully request that my representations be properly considered, taking into account the evidence and circumstances I have provided. If the council maintains that there are no grounds to cancel the PCN, I will have no alternative but to escalate this matter to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for independent adjudication.




yeh logbook is ok

Re: Birmingham Contravention 02 .pcn issued 15 seconds before it ended
« Reply #19 on: »
I would wait for the NTO.

I see you referred to Birmingham's policy doc - in London there is guidance not to ticket within two mins of a restriction ending or beginning, so indeed it is reasonable to hold them to some 'grace' at this minute before, although no observation is needed otherwise. 

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