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Hello,

First time posting and wish to ask for help with a PCN received at 13:09h on May 10th near Mill Hill Broadway NW7. I did not receive the PCN on the day as presumably the ticket blew away as it was only loosely left on the dash, and received a NtO yesterday, so the PCN is now £160, dated June 11th.

Car stopped for about 10 minutes on double yellow on Sunday around 1pm to collect sushi order from around corner on The Broadway.

PCN: AG93110103
Reg: OY53JCV
Contravention Date: 10/05/2026,13:08:57
Contravention: 01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours

I only use the car for school runs and unfamiliar with this area and I was not previously aware that double yellow lines were in effect on a Sunday, particularly since the car was stopped 2 meters from a “Controlled Zone” sign declaring restrictions in effect “Mon–Sat 8am–6:30pm”, which I interpreted to mean Sundays were unrestricted. Further, other cars were parked up the road (as pictured) so I mistakenly thought it was okay to park.

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I have learned my lesson for future, and understand the only grounds for appeal are i) loading / unloading of heavy goods; ii) picking up/dropping off passengers, however I wonder if LB Barnet would be open to an appeal based on forgiveness given the “Controlled Zone” signage is slightly confusing? The sushi order receipt corroborates the timing of a quick takeaway pick up from the high street.

Or are there other technical grounds I may challenge this PCN?

Many thanks in advance for your kind guidance.

Kind regards,


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Yes, double yellows are of course 24/7. Some have additional loading restrictions.

Nothing to lose by at least making polite reps to ask for settlement at discount.

That part of the wiper arm isn't secure for a PCN in my view and that can be pointed out and in fact a PCN must be securely affixed to satisfy service.



loading / unloading of heavy goods

IMO, not correct. The use of a vehicle must be necessary for the, as in this case, collection of the goods. Presumably the food was hot, but was it pre-ordered or was it simply a walk-in, order, pay, take-away scenario? Were you parked as close as you could in the circumstances?

A time of contravention of 13.09 and your note 'Invoice 13.18' suggests that you were stationary for more than 10 minutes.

In any reps, make it clear that the PCN was not on the car when you returned which, considering this was no more than X minutes after its issue, suggests that it was not affixed securely in the first instance. (to take in this point made by stamfordman).

Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply.

The food was pre-ordered, and as a Sunday it was very busy and no place to park, so the vehicle was stopped at closest available place.

Good catch about the timing - the invoice was emailed to me after I had already picked up the food; but in any case it seems the total amount the car was parked was <20 minutes, which seems to be a general maximum referred to when I searched online.

No additional loading restrictions (no addtional pain markings on kerb) as far as I am aware.

If I understand the tone of replies, it may be worth contesting on the grounds of a pre-ordered collection, though there is some question about whether the order needs to have significant weight to it?

Weight and size are not the determinative criteria, these relate to whether a vehicle was necessary. The food was pre-ordered and hot; a vehicle was necessary to ensure that it was still hot when placed on the table at home, is the best I can find.

Wait for others. 

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Unfortunately, such is the venality of London councils, it is almost guaranteed the OP would have to take them to London Tribunals, and I'm afraid a lot would depend on which adjudicator took the case.  And, of course, the full PCN penalty would be in play too.

A winning appeal would have to major on the parking that Sunday, and how far away the OP would have had to park to be legally parked and its likely effect on the temperature of the takeaway. One can see why delivery companies like Deliveroo are now so popular !!

OP, may I return to this pl:

'and received a NtO yesterday, so the PCN is now £160, [NTO] dated June 11th.'

Yesterday was Sun. 20th. Something's amiss here.

Are you the registered keeper?

Thanks again for replies.

@tincombe, the date of post was last week, so the timeline is:

Date of service (when vehicle was ticketed): 10 May
Notice to Owner (when letter was issued): 11 June

Apologies if this was unclear; I am under the impression at this point that it may be advisable to:

- write LB Barnet to at least ask for a 50% reduction, as the PCN was not on the windscreen when I returned to the car about 10 minutes later;

- provide evidence of the pre-ordered takeaway order and outline that the spot was the closest I could park to the restaurant around the corner on the Broadway.

One issue seems to remain: my understanding is that contesting on the basis of active loading/unloading only applies if a delivery/pickup is physically large or heavy, so would a lunch takeaway be reasonable grounds to have stopped for less than 20 minutes?

All clear, so why did it take until 20 June ('yesterday') for you to receive a notice presumed served on Mon. 15th is my question and concern. This procedure is regulated by strict timetables and any delays in post could be problematic.

Are you the registered keeper?

Thank you for your kind reply.

Yes, I am the registered keeper.

I am unclear why the term "yesterday" is causing a hangup, though I understand there are strict timelines to respond. The NtO, dated June 11th, was received by me on June 16th; I had not previously been aware of the PCN as it was not there when I drove away on May 10th.

I believe the only deadline that requires attention atm is the 28 days from the NtO dated June 11th (which is July 9th, ~2 weeks from now). I wish to get my ducks in a row before I make my challenge, so if there are any angles to support a successful appeal, I would be most grateful to receive.




Like you, I like to get my ducks lined up.

Your post dated 21 June stated 'yesterday I received the NTO'. Hence my concern.

Similarly, the NTO is deemed served on 15th unless you can prove it was 16th. This means that the 28-day period ends on 12 July, not 9th.