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BARNET - PCN - 50L PERFORMING A PROHIBITED TURN (NO LEFT TURN) - TILLING RD JUNCTION BRENTFIELD GARDENS (NW2)
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Hi all

As many others I received this PCN from this location and thought I'd have a look here before paying up the £65 - and have seen this location has been won by cp8759 many times based on the GLA road consent. Is this still the case the currently.

thank you all !PCN




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Re: BARNET - PCN - 50L PERFORMING A PROHIBITED TURN (NO LEFT TURN) - TILLING RD JUNCTION BRENTFIELD GARDENS (NW2)
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@j41sal I'm yet to lose an appeal at this location. Put in a representation via the council website as follows:

Dear London Borough of Barnet,

There was no contravention of a prescribed order, and the penalty demanded on the PCN exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

Yours faithfully,


Take a date & timestamped screenshot of the confirmation page and let us know when you get the rejection.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Thank you Cp8759! great to hear the success rate at this location.

will update once I receive the rejection


thank you once again !
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Recieved NTO as attached

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Quote from: cp8759 on January 10, 2025, 04:12:09 pm
@j41sal I'm yet to lose an appeal at this location. Put in a representation via the council website as follows:

Dear London Borough of Barnet,

There was no contravention of a prescribed order, and the penalty demanded on the PCN exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

Yours faithfully,


Take a date & timestamped screenshot of the confirmation page and let us know when you get the rejection.


Received  NTO as attached

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Hi Cp8759

Have recieved the notice of rejection
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Please post all sides of the NoR here, redacting only yr name & address.
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Have posted the rejection above
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Quote from: j41sal on February 01, 2025, 11:01:38 am
Quote from: cp8759 on January 10, 2025, 04:12:09 pm
@j41sal I'm yet to lose an appeal at this location. Put in a representation via the council website as follows:

Dear London Borough of Barnet,

There was no contravention of a prescribed order, and the penalty demanded on the PCN exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case.

Yours faithfully,


Take a date & timestamped screenshot of the confirmation page and let us know when you get the rejection.


Received  NOR as attached
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I've sent you a PM.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Well done.

IMO, the correct entry in the Schedule is 57 which refers to Tilling Rd.

As observed previously, it's item 57 of the second set of specified roads which misleadingly appear under a London Borough of Barking and Dagenham heading, but this poor piece of drafting cannot change the location of or responsibility for the roads.

Page 9

57 NORTH CIRCULAR ROAD (A406) OFF SLIP ROAD, the south side from a point 3
metres south-west of the extended north easternmost building line of Garden Court Hotel, Tilling Road to its roundabout junction with the unnamed M1 Motorway slip roads

It seems to me that the prohibition refers to the road being turned from, not the road being turned into, and this would seem to be confirmed by the authority's TMO, therefore I believe that item 57 page 9 is the applicable reference. Either way, the authority is in a complete state of denial hence my suggestion to the OP in the current thread on this location to write to the Chief Exec and put an end to this apparent abuse of power.
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I thought so for a very long time, I even won some appears based on it being item 57, but based on some new information I received from a member of the public it cannot be item 57. It's badly written, but what it actually means is this (red text added):

57 NORTH CIRCULAR ROAD (A406) OFF SLIP ROAD, the south side from a point 3 metres south-west of the extended north easternmost building line of the Garden Court Hotel (which is on Tilling Road) to its roundabout junction with the unnamed M1 Motorway slip roads

The Garden Court Hotel is now the Holiday Inn London - Brent Cross by IHG, and the northeastern most building line is highlighted in red in the image below, with the road referenced by item 57 highlighted in green:



I would add that the words "to its junction with Brentfield Gardens" in item 45 are open to interpretation at best, so this isn't something I would rely on unless the discount is lost anyway and there's nothing else to argue.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Noted, but the Order states what it states and has been extant for the best part of 20 years during which IMO it was open to Barnet and the GLA to amend. Absent such an amendment, IMO it would be improper for an adjudicator to put their own construction on to a provision which otherwise seems clear.

What's the alternative? That Barnet and GLA have colluded to put their own spin on to an Order. FFS, where could this end and where might it leave the average driver who can read but is not party to these clandestine arrangements.

And to cap it, why have Barnet never adduced this reasoning themselves but simply slunk away when their position has been challenged?
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