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Re: Barnet, code 53J entering in pedestrian zone, Nether St right turn into Moss Hall Grove
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2024, 05:20:44 pm »
Thanks Marmite, I go to tribunal tomorrow
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Re: Barnet, code 53J entering in pedestrian zone, Nether St right turn into Moss Hall Grove
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2024, 11:14:54 am »
Very well done indeed.  :)


The Appellant has attended for her three appeals.

The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle failed to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone when in Nether Street/Moss Hall Grove on 26 June and 9 and 12 July 2024.

The Appellant's case is that the signage was insufficient when turning right into this pedestrian zone. She argued that the signage at the entrance to the zone on the right hand sign and the warning signage were obscured by foliage, and that the sign plate on the left hand side was at a disadvantaged angle. The Appellant has produced signage and some page from the Traffic Signs Manuals in support of her case, which I have considered.

I have considered all the evidence in this case, and I find it to be a borderline case, which just falls in the Appellant's favour. I find, on a balance of probabilities, that these three contravention are not proved.

I find the signage at this location, whilst compliant with the regulations, was overall inadequate for the Appellant's vehicle when turning right into this zone on the 26 June and 9 and 12 July 2024.

I find that the sign plate on the Appellant's right hand side was obscured by foliage and this includes the warning signage on the approach to this pedestrian zone. Further, I find that the sign plate on the left hand side of the road was not facing in the direction of the Appellant's travel and would be too easily missed.

The appeals are allowed.
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Re: Barnet, code 53J entering in pedestrian zone, Nether St right turn into Moss Hall Grove
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2024, 07:09:24 pm »
I have just received my GFY notice from the council 2 weeks after this judgement. I was debating whether to contest it or not. Can you please give me the PCN no and or Adjudication number and date of your hearing for my defense.  Thank you. Ben
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Re: Barnet, code 53J entering in pedestrian zone, Nether St right turn into Moss Hall Grove
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2024, 07:50:53 pm »
I will do so via a PM. Please start your own thread.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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