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Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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Even if these were signed, your application would be rejected because you have simply repeated your witness statement grounds.

Witness statement: What;

Out of time: Why.

If your V5C was, and maybe still is, 2/3 years out of date then IMO you don't have legitimate grounds for an OOT.

It is your legal duty to keep your DVLA details up to date.

You made reps against the original PCN and would have given an address, and yet you claim to have not received this nor did including this address trigger anything which caused you to check your V5C.

As regards the suggestion to place a BB in your car and send this to the council with, heaven forbid, a claim that it was in situ when the car was clamped I cannot agree because it's untrue.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2024, 08:32:10 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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Okay.

My licence has had the correct address and I have corrected my V5C now.

That is correct - although I forgot due to timelines that - I did make representation. I hadn’t received the rejection notice via email, and all other letters they have sent were to the wrong address now. I can confirm this as I have requested to see the documents.

I will update my TEC from didn’t receive PCN to didn’t receive NoR.

Although, I really don’t know what to do now because my vehicle is still clamped and I’m worried it will be towed away any day now.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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Bailiffs are prohibited from forcibly entering homes to recover unpaid traffic debts, as specified in paragraph 24(2) of Schedule 12 of the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007.

I recommend against using the TE7 form in its current format, as the bailiff's warrant is defective due to an incorrect address. There is no statutory requirement to file a TE7.

You can inform the bailiff and creditor that the clamped vehicle is under finance, prompting the removal of the clamp.

This action will restrict the bailiff's options to enforce the debt, presenting a considerable challenge for the creditor due to the bailiff's procedural missteps.

Authorities frequently outsource enforcement to private companies, relying on indemnity policies to protect against such losses before awarding enforcement contracts.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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I thought the TEC forms go hand in hand to pause the enforcement. Following that Marston would hand the case back to the Council and they could reset the pcn. Is this incorrect?

In emailing Kingston upon Thames and cc’ing the bailiffs, is this okay to send:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to you regard PCN QT08212054 as vehicle registered as LP68UGM is not my property and is subject to an ongoing Personal Contract Purchase agreement. This vehicle has been illegally clamped on 17/10/2024 by Marston Recovery, your agents, acting on the your authority.

Please note that I am also a Blue Badge holder.

Evidence of these facts are attached

I demand the release of the vehicle on this basis.

I can confirm that the TEC have been contacted as the initial Notice of Rejection was not received to the email address provided. Marston Recovery were informed of this.

Sincerely,
kellydose




Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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You need to take a much firmer approach.

I’ve sent a private message containing legally sensitive details.

Forget the TE forms; you won't be needing them now.

Post back with the response and results.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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@Pressman thank you for the private message.

I’ve just gone to my vehicle this morning and seen the clamp has been removed!

I sent the bailiff a text stating that the vehicle is under a PCP agreement on the morning of 17/10/24, and I believe they removed it on that basis yesterday/today. They haven’t communicated with me so I don’t have a response to share just yet.

To tackle the fine from the council and bailiff, what are my next steps?

I haven’t emailed the Council anything just yet.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2024, 09:46:00 am by kellydose »

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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To tackle the fine from the council and bailiff, what are my next steps?
You still owe the money, and with your V5C apparently way out of date at the time of the contravention,  an Out-of-Time submission about non-receipt of PCN is very unlikely to succeed.  The bailiffs clamp cars, but their role is to collect the money, so even if you no longer had a car, the money remains owing unless you can get a Statutory Declaration accepted. Bailiffs can seize property not just cars.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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I can confirm I did not receive the NoR to my email so I’d like to resend the TEC forms on that basis.

This would still take 10 working days to process and I don’t know where I stand concerning the time that I have to act.

Where/how can I get a statutory declaration form/approved?

Should I pay?

I have sent a message to bailiff advice online too.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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Where/how can I get a statutory declaration form/approved?
Your local County Court can witness the forms without charge but you'd need to arrange an appointment. Solicitors will also witness the forms for a small charge, not sure how much but around £10-20 I think.

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Should I pay?
Your decision, but the debt and the bailiffs haven't gone away. Have you told us what sum of money they are demanding ?

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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I can confirm I did not receive the NoR to my email so I’d like to resend the TEC forms on that basis.

This would still take 10 working days to process and I don’t know where I stand concerning the time that I have to act.

Where/how can I get a statutory declaration form/approved?

Should I pay?

I have sent a message to bailiff advice online too.
10 working days? That must be the delay in notifying the Enforcement Authority that a Witness Statement or Statutory declaration has been submitted. Prior to Covid this was done the same day if submitted before 4pm on a working day. The EA has to suspend the enforcement action when they are notified of the application.

An actual decision by the Traffic Enforcement Centre is likely to take 4-8 weeks at the moment.

Your application concerns a Witness Statement (form TE9) and an application to submit it Out of Time (form TE7) for a parking contravention. WS applications don't need to be witnessed.

However you need a good explantion as to why your address was not up to date.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2024, 01:32:56 pm by Enceladus »

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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+1.

A WS does not require countersigning.

As posted earlier, the bailiff was acting wholly appropriately in clamping your car and then releasing after they had satisfied themselves as regards its finance situation.

They cannot seize goods in your house unless this address is specified on the warrant, but then getting this changed is simple and administrative and they would return.

They cannot have suspended action pursuant to an instruction from TEC that a procedurally valid OOT submission has been made because you haven't made one.


I can confirm I did not receive the NoR to my email so I’d like to resend the TEC forms on that basis.

This would be false, pl read the form.

The representations referred to are formal representations NOT a response to informal reps(which is what you made).

You did not make formal reps because, according to you, you didn't receive the NTO because it was sent to an out-of-date address.

Pl understand that you have to give TEC a valid and truthful reason why you did not receive the NTO. Based upon countless other threads with similar issues, IMO you do not have one.

IMO, all you could do legitimately is to put 'Did not receive NTO' in the witness statement(WS)(because this is correct) and then whatever you're happy to support with a statement of truth in the OOT which bears upon your WS grounds.

If this is accepted by TEC then the authority would reset the process to the NTO stage.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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While others may have differing views, you have effectively served the bailiff with a Rule 6 notice, removing the clamp.

The warrant, however, is defective, as it shows your previous address.

Completing a TE9 form might appear to be a solution but would not be in your best interest, as it primarily benefits the council. Moreover, there is no regulatory requirement for you to submit a TE9.

I recommend abstaining from making a TE9 because the warrant is unenforceable.

Filing a TE9 will only lead to a reissued warrant with your updated address, bringing you back to square one.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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..but fails to address the issue which is that a surcharged penalty(plus registration fee) is owed. This could only delay the inevitable unless it's thought that possibly embarrassing the bailiff could cause the council to cancel their legitimate pursuit of a penalty.

I've seen nothing to suggest that this is a realistic or realisable end game.

Re: Bailiff PCN Kingston upon Thames
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Maybe a letter of complaint to the authority highlighting the unlawful action of the Agent and the distress (emotional pain and suffering) the unlawful clamping has caused.
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