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Re: Redbridge PCN - entered a pedestrian zone - Sydney Road
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All councils say that !

Signs can meet the standards for signs, but the signage can still be inadequate under Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996

Good for you for holding their hand to the fire.

Re: Redbridge PCN - entered a pedestrian zone - Sydney Road
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Let's see the NOR and the date please. Some days are better than others!
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Re: Redbridge PCN - entered a pedestrian zone - Sydney Road
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Embarrassingly I forgot about the hearing and did not attend. I also forgot to submit a video I had taken later showing how the signs are not very visible as a driver. My appeal on the basis of sign height was rejected because the adjudicator said from the local authority's evidence the signage is visible. But luckily succeeded on the collateral appeal to do with the timeframes stated in the letter.
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Re: Redbridge PCN - entered a pedestrian zone - Sydney Road
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6. The PCN states as follows (my emphasis):

The Penalty Charge of £160.00 is now payable and must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of this notice. If it is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of this notice, the amount payable is reduced by 50% to £80.00. Payment may be made using any of the options detailed at the bottom of this page, if you believe you have a good reason not to pay the penalty charge, you should write to us explaining why (see the 'Representations' section overleaf). Although there are specific legal grounds for making representations, we will consider exercising our discretion and may cancel the penalty charge notice if there are suitable mitigating circumstances (i.e. if we believe that there is a good enough reason). Please make sure the Penalty Charge Notice number is written on all correspondence. If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable. We may send you a Charge Certificate seeking payment of this increased amount.

7. I find that the first part of this passage cuts short a statutory period. I find that an enforcement authority cannot do that. It is not material that there is no suggestion of prejudice. I find that, whilst there was a contravention, the collateral challenge, and appeal, succeed on the basis that the penalty demanded exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case: no liability should have arisen at all.

8. I allow the appeal.
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cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: Redbridge PCN - entered a pedestrian zone - Sydney Road
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The decision in Usmaan Hafiz v London Borough of Redbridge (2250638127, 1 June 2026) is wrong in law because it is directly contradicted by section 4(8)(a)(iii) of the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, which states that:

(8)A penalty charge notice under this section must—
(a)state—
[...]
(iii) that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

Any party appearing before a court and tribunal is under a duty to assist and not mislead, so this case cannot be relied upon and if ever raised, there is a duty to highlight that it is wrong.
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Re: Redbridge PCN - entered a pedestrian zone - Sydney Road
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@cp8759

Spot on.

7. I find that the first part of this passage cuts short a statutory period. I find that an enforcement authority cannot do that.
@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"