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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2025, 03:51:41 pm »
I've looked at few adjudications there and the signage is accepted as sufficient.

As you've paid the first I would ask politely for discretion on the others owing to be out of town and not aware until the first came, and saying you paid the first.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2025, 05:48:27 pm »
Assuming this is how you approached Terminal 5 roundabout, there is also advanced warnings on this sign
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HeEEbt93qAaLfrXh6

which I assume you passed, but both are tiny, and I see would be easily missed at night, blenmding into the blue background as against the larger directional signs for the turn-offs.
TfL are unlikely to give way, but see what others say as I am not an expert.

If you approached Terminal 3 from a different direction, again you need to identify where you crossed the boundary and the signage there.

You could also prepare a draft representation against PCNs 2&3, stressing the inadequacy of the signage, were unaware until the 1st PCN landed in your letterbox, etc, etc. and post it here for comment.
I believe TfL will re-offer the discount if/when they refuse your reps and you can then decide whether to go to Tribunal, but remember that the you are essentially p[leading for mitigation, which the Tribunal cannot consider, but it could decide the signage is inadequate.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2025, 01:12:47 am »
Ok here is my represenation Draft please let me know what you think?

Dear Sir/Madam, 

I am writing to formally make representations regarding the penalty charge notices (PCNs) I received for driving into the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) entering Heathrow Airport on the 7th and 8th of January 2025. While I fully accept responsibility for the first PCN (dated 20th December 2024) and have already paid it, I kindly request leniency and consideration for the subsequent PCNs for the reasons outlined below. 

1. Unawareness of Heathrow's Inclusion in the ULEZ Zone
While I was aware of the ULEZ expansion, I was not aware that it now extended to Heathrow Airport. My family and I have not lived in London for several years, and this change in the ULEZ boundary caught me completely off guard.

2. Circumstances of the Offense
- On the 20th of December, while staying in Henley-on-Thames, I drove to Heathrow Airport to drop off a family member. This was the first occasion I entered the ULEZ zone unknowingly. 
- On the 7th and 8th of January, I drove into Heathrow Airport again under similar circumstances, unaware that the ULEZ charge applied to this area. 
- My family returned home to Lancashire on the 13th of January, whereupon I discovered the first PCN in the mail. 

3. Immediate Action Taken Upon Discovery
As soon as I opened the PCN issued for my journey on the 20th of December, I contacted Transport for London (TfL) on the 13th of January to attempt to retroactively pay for the ULEZ charges for my entries on the 7th and 8th of January. However, I was informed that payment was no longer possible at that stage, and that I would need to wait for the PCNs. 

4. Mitigating Circumstances:
The timing of the PCNs is significant: had I received the first PCN (dated 1st January 2025) earlier, I would have been immediately aware of my error and avoided repeating it on the 7th and 8th of January. It would be unreasonable to suggest that I knowingly entered the ULEZ on these later dates with the intent to avoid payment, as there would have been no benefit for me to do so, as I would have anticipated receiving additional penalties. 

5. Signage and Lack of Awareness 
Although I was informed by TfL during the phone call on the 13th that ULEZ signage is clearly marked, I honestly did not notice these signs on any of the occasions I entered Heathrow Airport. Additionally, although anecdotal, upon speaking to friends and acquaintances in Henley who use Heathrow Airport frequently, it became apparent that many others were also unaware of this recent update. 

6. Additional Financial Burden and Frustration: 
My visits to Heathrow on the 7th and 8th of January were necessitated by an error by Virgin Airlines, which had sent my family member’s luggage to the wrong terminal. Resolving this issue required two separate trips, which already resulted in significant inconvenience and expenses, including hefty parking charges. The additional PCNs compound this situation, leaving me with a sense of undue financial burden.

7. Request for Leniency
Given the circumstances, including the fact that: 
- I live across the country and was not aware of the ULEZ change impacting Heathrow Airport, 
- I was away from home and unable to receive the first PCN in time to adjust my behavior, 
- I immediately tried to take corrective action upon learning of my mistake, 

In light of the above, I respectfully request leniency and the cancellation of the PCNs for the 7th and 8th of January 2025. These entries into the ULEZ were made in genuine ignorance of the expanded zone’s boundaries, compounded by the delayed notification of my initial violation.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2025, 01:19:25 am by pfenig »

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2025, 10:12:46 am »
Is there a time limit on serving ULEZ PCNs?

Why would PCNs for later dates have been received while earlier dates are not e.g. 20, 21st Dec?

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2025, 12:11:26 pm »
Your reps are too long - I would make it clear you are asking for discretion on subsequent PCNs incurred before you were aware of the first one.

I am writing to formally make representations regarding the penalty charge notices (PCNs) I received for driving into the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) entering Heathrow Airport on the 7th and 8th of January 2025.
While I fully accept responsibility for the first PCN (number xxxxx dated 20th December 2024) and have already paid it, I kindly request leniency and consideration for the subsequent PCNs numbers xxxxx, xxxx as they were incurred before I was aware of the first one.

Then briefly about circumstances.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2025, 02:06:53 pm »
Ok here goes, I can just send it in as an attached letter.

To whom it may concern,

I am writing to formally make representations regarding the penalty charge notices (PCNs) I received for driving into the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) entering Heathrow Airport on the 7th and 8th of January 2025.
While I fully accept responsibility for the first PCN (number xxxxx dated 20th December 2024) and have already paid it, I kindly request leniency and consideration for the subsequent PCNs numbers xxxxx, xxxx as they were incurred before I was aware of the first one.

While I was aware of the ULEZ expansion, I was not aware that it now recently extended to include Heathrow Airport. My family and I have not lived in London for several years, and this recent change in the ULEZ boundary caught us completely off guard. I only drove to Heathrow airport in December and January to drop off family members & for mishandled luggage by Virgin Airlines.

My family returned to Lancashire on January 13th, when I discovered the first PCN. Upon contacting TfL that same day, I learned I could no longer pay retroactively and must await the arrival of the PCNs. I was also informed that ULEZ zone signage for Heathrow Airport was clearly marked, though I honestly did not notice it upon my repeated entries. Although anecdotal, upon speaking to friends and acquaintances in Henley who use Heathrow Airport frequently, it became apparent that many others were also unaware of this recent change.

The timing of the PCNs is significant: had I received the first PCN (dated 1st January 2025) earlier, I would have been immediately aware of my error and avoided repeating it. It would be unreasonable to suggest that I knowingly entered the ULEZ on these later dates, as there would have been no benefit for me to do so, as I would have anticipated receiving additional penalties.

Given the circumstances, including the fact that:
- We live across the country and were not aware of the ULEZ change impacting Heathrow Airport,
- I was away and unable to receive the first PCN in time to adjust my behavior,
- I immediately tried to take corrective action upon learning of my mistake,

I respectfully ask for leniency and the cancellation of the PCNs. These entries into the ULEZ were made in genuine ignorance of the expanded zone’s boundaries, compounded by the delayed notification of my initial violation.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2025, 05:33:58 pm by pfenig »

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2025, 02:09:45 pm »
Is there a time limit on serving ULEZ PCNs?

Why would PCNs for later dates have been received while earlier dates are not e.g. 20, 21st Dec?

There are these 3. I also phoned in to TfL to check...
« Last Edit: January 24, 2025, 02:13:06 pm by pfenig »

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2025, 03:09:29 pm »
And what did your checks discover e.g. how many PCNs have actually been issued and is there one for each occurrence, including those where to the best of your recollection you entered the zone?

My question regarding time limit still applies and I hope other posters can assist.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2025, 01:50:04 pm »
Is what I've written acceptable for representation?

I'm concerned that the fine will jump from £90 to £180 if I do this, does anyone know how it works?

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2025, 05:20:20 pm »
Is what I've written acceptable for representation?

I'm concerned that the fine will jump from £90 to £180 if I do this, does anyone know how it works?
Normal practice for TfL is to re-offer the discount when rejecting reps received within the discount period.

If received outside this period they may still re-offer the discount when rejecting. Others on here are more familiar with the enforcement practices of TfL, so wait a bit but don't miss that discount end date. Remember it is receipt of reps by TfL, not when you send them, that counts, although with all cases using the on-line facility, the 'send' and 'receipt' is virtually the same.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2025, 06:32:38 pm »
Well I'd like to get it sent off asap to them. Hopefully what I wrote will pass muster.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2025, 07:01:12 pm »
Well I'd like to get it sent off asap to them. Hopefully what I wrote will pass muster.
Looks OK to me, but don't be disappointed if they reject as this is normal for about 99% of cases, because they know that if they reject, >95% of people then just cough-up.

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2025, 07:56:36 pm »
Well I'd like to get it sent off asap to them. Hopefully what I wrote will pass muster.
Looks OK to me, but don't be disappointed if they reject as this is normal for about 99% of cases, because they know that if they reject, >95% of people then just cough-up.

Well I sent it in online.. fingers crossed.. really feels like entrapment...
« Last Edit: January 27, 2025, 01:49:16 am by pfenig »

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2025, 03:57:37 pm »
FYI the representation was rejected today...

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Re: A series of ULEZ PCN's expected. Heathrow Airport
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2025, 05:20:02 pm »
FYI the representation was rejected today...

Please to post up the rejection, redacting only name & address.

Was your rep. exactly as per post Reply#20 above?
« Last Edit: February 07, 2025, 05:22:11 pm by John U.K. »