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53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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I am the driver of the vehicle and my wife is the registered keeper of the leased vehicle.

The alleged contravention occurred at 09:12:55 on the 25/09/24.

I know why it happened as the sign was obscured by a tree on the approach and the signage is parallel to the road and behind where you would turn right, so not possible to see.

https://imgur.com/a/TCTISea

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YU65h6hSgHaqXeaJ9

TIA.
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Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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Post the PCN.
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And after that go online as if to challenge and screenshot everything and report back what you see.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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My apologies, I thought I did. Please see attached.

additional SS of the online portal.

Just realised the screenshot of the opening page says that a representation has already been made(not by me) and that i can only make a challenge if a representation has NOT been made.

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« Last Edit: October 31, 2024, 08:12:21 pm by Hurger33 »
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Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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here

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I mean the grounds page.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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From their video it is clear that I turned right into the road, and as the pictures clearly show the signs are parallel and were obscured by the tree and then because I had passed them on the 1st posting.
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I attached both sides of their letter.

which grounds, sorry I'm a noob.

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All this below is total rubbish.

Click your reason or search for it below
I wasn't aware of the rules
I was picking up/dropping off a passenger
it was an emergency
my satnav misdirected me
using cameras to catch drivers isn't fair
this is a hire car - the hirer should pay
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Enter keyword(s) such as pay & display

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Pay
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The alleged contravention did not occur

my car had been stolen
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it can't have been my car - my car was elsewhere
explain why my PCN was given
I've already paid - by cheque
I've already paid - in cash

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penalty exceeded amount

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explain why my PCN was given
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the CCTV system/operator made a mistake
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vehicle was taken without consent

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I didn't own the car then - I bought it later
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we are a hire firm

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there was no contravention of an order

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never was the owner of the vehicle in question

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I never received the PCN
I've never owned this car
my car had been stolen
it can't have been my vehicle - my vehicle registration must have been cloned
it can't have been my car - my car was elsewhere
I didn't own the car then - I bought it later
I didn't own the car then - I sold it earlier
I didn't own the car then - I bought it later
I was off the road/on private property
my car was written off earlier
my car was written off earlier
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« Last Edit: November 01, 2024, 03:20:04 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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Quote from: Hurger33 on October 31, 2024, 08:22:17 pm
I attached both sides of their letter.

which grounds, sorry I'm a noob.

What has been sent please? You will need representation on this so I am offering.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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Hi,

As it stands, I have not made any representations.

When I went online as instructed, at the top of the website page in a dialogue box it says that I have already made representations.

I screen shotted the webpage. see attached.

I can only think it was the lease company that have maybe notified them??

My wife opened the letter as it was addressed to her, so I don't know if there are any other pages to the PCN except the 2 sides.

I'm happy to take representation, I want to fight this all the way.

TIA

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« Last Edit: November 01, 2024, 04:44:08 pm by Hurger33 »
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Well someone has made representations? If so, wait for the Notice of Rejection. Please clarify. Lease company? Agreement? How long?
« Last Edit: November 01, 2024, 08:38:59 pm by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: 53J- failure to comply with restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone - Kensington Ave, Croydon
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We have a lease to purchase contract, just under 4 years left of a 6 term with Leaseplan.
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If the lease company has submitted a representation, it will, in all likelihood, and been to supply your name and address as the lessee on the contravention date.  So you should receive a PCN in your name shortly, at which point you can submit reps, or pay it.
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