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Post Requesting Assistance with PCN Appeal

Hi everyone,

I need some help with drafting an appeal for two PCNs my wife received. On 20th January 2025, while attending a blood test appointment at a clinic on Perrymans Farm Road, Ilford, she unknowingly entered a restricted area. The PCNs were issued 17 minutes apart — one at 8:23 am entering from Horns Road and the second at 8:40 am exiting to Horns Road, Ilford

She wasn’t aware that the signage had changed and that there had been a restriction in place since June of last year I believe. She entered the area purely for her medical appointment and had no intention of violating the rules.

If anyone could assist me in writing a strong appeals letter to contest these PCNs, I would be very grateful. Thank you in advance for your help!

Best regards,
James

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« Last Edit: January 26, 2025, 10:44:15 pm by James Mallom »

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There will be two videos for the two PCNs. You have blanked out car reg and PCN number so we can't go and look at them, so please download them and post them here, OR unblank the relevant information. You only need to blank-out your name and address.

On Horns Road there are these warning signs: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/H4ddVrVSrqAwqPiG6
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/H4ddVrVSrqAwqPiG6
and
https://maps.app.goo.gl/j2wuV7QwrmtkJA267
However the actual restriction sign at the entrance to Perrymans Farm Road is flawed. It has a blue sign below the main sign stating the restriction only applies during term time. Well who knows when these are ? I believe an appeal at London Tribunals has been won on this point.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oqchZKt9EjtL8MnB8

The photos on your second PCN at 08.40 shows your car entering from the other end of the restriction at the junction with Youngs Road.  GSV is too out-of-date to show the signs, so we'd need photos of the approach to assess sign adequacy.

However, we really need to see the videos, as this is their sole evidence of the alleged contravention.

Please see  videos thank you






Sorry, but your videos don't work. All there is are black rectangles with the text "Sorry
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The term-time blue sign is proscribed.

Case won recently.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a-pedestrian-zone/msg49432/#msg49432

Suggest reps.:

Dear Redbridge

Ref:  PCN    VRM   

I make this formal representation:

The contravention did not occur as the sign referring to term time is proscribed. As per school parking restrictions, how is a driver expected to know the times of any term time in advance?

Please cancel the PCN therefore.

Yours

Reg. keeper

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« Last Edit: January 27, 2025, 12:07:13 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

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Your links won't open because you still have them set to 'Private'. You need to set them to 'Public'

Thank you the links are set to public now

The signs at each end of the restricted area are unlawful because they all have a blue sign "term time only", but do not tell you what the start and end dates are.  In contrast, signs at entrances to parking zones where special event day restrictions are in place, like near football grounds, must state the next event date.

Appeals have been won on this, so don't cough-up, but instead submit Hippocrates draft for representations. Post their response when you get it. 

Thank you Incandescent for you prompt response, do I use Hippocrate’s template for both pcn’s?
« Last Edit: January 27, 2025, 11:42:31 pm by James Mallom »

Thank you Incandescent for you prompt response, do I use Hippocrate’s template for both pcn’s?
Yes, because it is the same council signing error. Note that similar signs elsewhere have already won an appeal at London Tribunals.  Hippocrates will no doubt post it up.

Thank you all will God willing keep you posted

Hi everyone, my appeal for both penalties has been rejected by the council. Kindly advise what steps are next thank you.

Hi everyone, my appeal for both penalties has been rejected by the council. Kindly advise what steps are next thank you.
Please post rejection letters.  The next stage is you either pay or take them to London Tribunals.