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52m Wooder Gdns E7 Field rd (westbound)
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I was using my device maps that took me through the road in concern. New to this area and as following direction.Can this be challenged. Attaching the PCN notice letter.









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So, like your other thread, you drove straight past these two "Flying motorbike" signs.
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Here, though, you can pass them for access to premises along the street. Were you going to a house there ?
You can see how total reliance on sat-navs can get expensive !
Did you turn left into this street, or right ? If left, you could argue that with no advance warning of the restriction, the signing is inadequate,
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I can't see any advance warning signs on the main street, and there's a tree in the way when coming from the left:
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The Newham (Wooder Gardens) (Low Traffic Neighbourhood) Experimental Traffic Order 2020 has expired so I've asked for the new one, in the meantime here's a draft representation:

Dear London Borough of Newham,

I challenge liability for PCN PN74284092 on the basis of inadequate signage. I approached Wooder Gardens from the southeast and there are no advance warning signs on Field Road advising of the restriction, further to this on the approach to the junction there is a tree in the way of the sign. There is no way I could have seen, let alone reacted to the sign when turning left into Wooder Gardens.

In the circumstances, the alleged contravention did not occur.

Yours faithfully,


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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Yes representation was made and I now received a rejection
this I attach below. Please advise of how best to proceed next.

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I think you have a good chance on appeal to the tribunal, I'll drop you a PM.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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The Enforcement Authority adduce 4 further images of the signage at the
location and an aerial shot, all undated.

No evidence is adduced of any advance notification signage.

Simple stuff!
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