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PCN is WA87399625 (not received)
Wandsworth Council
VRN LM53HJC

See below charge certificate for a 12.12.2022 contravention allegation.

https://ibb.co/dKpx89x

date of charge cert 22.02.23

Was advised to wait for order for recovery and that the amount of the PCN should have been £130

I have now received the OfR order for recovery.
Will fill in the enclosed stautory declaration ticking the box stating that I did not receive the original PCN and get it witnessed by a commissioner for oaths. Then send the form to the Traffic Enforcement Centre.

Anything else I should do at this stage?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Send the completed form to tec@justice.gov.uk and then check the amount due on the council website once a week. Once it drops down to £65 it means the council has re-issued the PCN, to speed things up I'd then call the council and ask them to email you a copy.
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Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Thank you for your guidance as ever cp8759!

Following stat dec transmission - Wandsworth have reissued the PCN:

https://ibb.co/4ZbTSz8

Earlier advice suggests the amount at £110 is incorrect and should be £130 - are there any grounds for appeal in this matter?

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Yes without looking to much first the wrong amount then you have the time delay between the CC and OfR that is likely to win on its own

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Have you got the revoking order from TEC?

I heard TEC had quite a backlog and I wonder if the council jumped the gun and reissued the PCN before TEC issue the revoking order (which would be completely unlawful).

Also the grounds of appeal on the council website don't match the statutory grounds:



The TMO is The Wandsworth (School Streets) (No. 1) Order 2022.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2023, 11:52:10 pm by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Thank you both.

Link below to the order stating the order for recovery be revoked:

https://ibb.co/hFfj8Vf

Looks like the order is dated 30.8 whilst the PCN is 06.09.

I can pen a basic appeal then along the lines of:

- amount is wrong
- grounds for appeal on council website don't match statutory grounds
- time between charge cert and order for recovery was over 8 months.

Anything else I should add at this stage?

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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I think you've got all the key points, type up a draft and post it on here for review.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Kindly advise on amendments needed:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Ref: PCN WA87399625

I would like to appeal the above PCN on the following grounds.

1. The PCN states a penalty charge of £110 for contravention code 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles (motor vehicles).

Wandsworth Council's website lists 52M under "moving traffic contraventions all charged at the band A higher rate."
Source:
https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/pcns-and-parking-fines/pcn-contravention-codes/#:~:text=If%20you%20receive%20a%20Penalty,%C2%A360%20(Band%20B).


Band A higher rate is stated as £130. The above PCN meanwhile states the penalty charge for a 52M contravention as £110 meaning it is invalid.

2. The grounds of appeal on Wandsworth Council website do not match statutory grounds.

There are eight statutory grounds of appeal (plus one more for PCNs served by post which isn't stated below) for appealing PCNs:
The contravention did not occur
The penalty charge exceeded the relevant amount
The Traffic Regulation Order was invalid
The motorist was not the owner/keeper of the vehicle at the time of the contravention
The vehicle had been taken without the owner's consent
The owner is a hire company and have supplied the name of the hirer
There has been a procedural impropriety on behalf of the authority
Penalty charge notice was paid either in full or at a discounted rate within the discount period.

Wandsworth Council's website meanwhile only gives the following grounds:
The contravention did not occur
The vehicle was on hire
The vehicle was sold
Other

3.The time delay between charge certificate and order for recovery.

The charge certificate is dated 22nd February 2023 whilst the Order for Recovery is dated 31st August 2023. This equates to a period of 6 months and 9 days between postal dates of both documents.

The time delay falls well outside of code of practice timeframes and constitutes further procedural impropriety on behalf of the Council.


Yours sincerely,

Name
Registered keeper.

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Here's a revised draft:

Dear London Borough of Wandsworth,

Ref: PCN WA87399625

I would like to make representations against the above PCN on the following grounds.

1. The PCN states a penalty charge of £110 for contravention code 52M Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles (motor vehicles).

Wandsworth Council's website lists 52M under "moving traffic contraventions all charged at the band A higher rate."
Source: https://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/parking/pcns-and-parking-fines/pcn-contravention-codes/

Band A higher rate is stated as £130. The above PCN meanwhile states the penalty charge for a 52M contravention as £110 meaning it is invalid.

2. The grounds of appeal on Wandsworth Council website do not match statutory grounds.

There are five statutory grounds of appeal, which can be summarised as:
1) the recipient was not the owner at the material time,
2) the contravention did not occur,
3) the vehicle was taken without the owner's consent, and
4) the recipient is a hire firm and the vehicle was on hire, and
5) the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case.

Wandsworth Council's website meanwhile only gives the following grounds:
1) The contravention did not occur
2) The vehicle was on hire
3) The vehicle was sold
4) Other

As "other" is not a statutory ground (and merely reflects the authority's power to cancel a PCN for non-statutory reasons), only 3 of the 5 statutory grounds of appeal are listed.

The website is therefore misleading as to what grounds are applicable.

3.The time delay between charge certificate and order for recovery.

The charge certificate is dated 22nd February 2023 whilst the Order for Recovery is dated 31st August 2023. This equates to a period of 6 months and 9 days between postal dates of both documents.

This is an inordinate delay within the meaning of Paul Richard Davis v The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (1970198981, 30 March 1998), at least absent some good reason to justify the delay.

It follows that the PCN must be cancelled,

Yours faithfully,

Send the representation via the council website, and make sure to keep a screenshot of the confirmation screen. It's best to put it all in a PDF file and upload it to the website as an attachment, in order to get round any character limits and also to preserve all indentation and italics formatting.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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Thank you Sir!

Re: 52M Wandsworth Hillbrook Road Jct. Brudenell Road charge cert
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The PCN was cancelled due to time delay!

Thank you to all concerned - cp8759 you are an angel.
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