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Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Thank you for the edited version! I will have to amend the last paragraph as my challenge is based on the absence of any CPZ signs on route which is confirmed by my photos and by Google Streetview. In essence, the signs says a permit is required on event days but nowhere on route there is information about event days.

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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I think I would take a different approach, a short one, it will undoubtedly lead to a rejection but what the heck, it probably would if you sent the bible.

Dear Sirs

The contravention did not occur as I did not pass a sign informing me of an event day. My approach was via Frith Lane, Inglis Way and Sanders Lane (If the last one applies).

Yours etc


I am happy to be the representative, either at this stage or later. mrmustard@zoho.com
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Thank you for your offer. I do not know how these representations work but I tend to present all my points and evidence in case the other person is not biased.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2023, 08:27:12 pm by allondon »

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Let me see, if the council reject an informal challenge most people meekly pay up the 50% like lambs and the council makes easy undeserved money.

Remember what Warren Buffett said 'Do I ask the barber if I need a haircut?'

What you and every poster on here needs to remember is we aren't here to fight round one, be knocked back and give in.

We are here, with usually solid arguments (we will tell you if we have an unproven strategy) to get the PCN cancelled somewhere along the line and pay nothing.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2023, 08:51:34 pm by mrmustard »
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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You would be telling them that you know what you're talking about, in particular the burden which falls to them and that if they hold to the 'it's on the website' line then they would lose and possibly line themselves up for a costs award because you had laid out the legal position clearly.

I'm always for putting your strongest case in reps, the alternative is almost to invite a rejection.

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In this case, the driver did not see any 'Event Day' notices on their route into the zone(***, via ***, left at **** etc) for the very good reason that there weren't any CPZ signs at this entrance into the zone. It therefore follows that the council did not convey the information as required and the contravention did not occur.

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Thank you for your offer. I do not know how these representations work but I tend to present all my points and evidence in case the other person is not biased.
The council is biased, you need to get to the tribunal to get a fair hearing. That's what Mr Mustard has offered to do for you so I suggest you take him up on it. If he says he can win then it's a safe bet that he will.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Thanks to everyone. As I understand - next step is the representation to the council. If it is rejected - I have a choice to apply to the tribunal. Or am I missing something?

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Thanks to everyone. As I understand - next step is the representation to the council. If it is rejected - I have a choice to apply to the tribunal. Or am I missing something?
I strongly recommend you email Mr Mustard and let him handle it for you.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: PCN: Barnet - 16 Parked in a permit space or zone - Bittacy Road
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Result from the tribunal yesterday:

Mr Derek Dishman, the Appellant's Authorised Representative attended the hearing of the appeal in
person. The Appellant did not attend. The Authority was not in attendance, nor were they
represented.
It is the Authority's case that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a permit space without a valid
permit on 7 October 2023 on Bittacy Road. They rely in evidence on the CEO's notes and their
photographs of the vehicle. They have also produced a plan of the Control Parking Zone, which
shows the location in question and there are also blue and green pins denoting the location of CPZ
signs.
Mr Dishman raised a preliminary point regarding the PCN. He pointed out that the certified copy of the
PCN is different in several respects to the original PCN, which he produced at the hearing. I am
satisfied that there are differences between the two PCN's and so it necessarily follows that the
certified copy is not, in fact, a true copy. I agree with the decision in case: 2230567671, in which the
identical point arose and in which it was held that a failure to reproduce a true copy of a PCN is a
procedural impropriety.
As regards the substantive appeal, it is the Appellant's case that, given the direction from which he
travelled, he would not have passed a Controlled Parking Zone sign and so he was unaware that
parking was restricted on the relevant date due to an event. Having studied the route he would have
taken, I am satisfied that he would not have passed one of the two CPZ signs identified on the
Authority's said plan and therefore, he could not have been on notice of the restriction.
In the above circumstances, I allow the appeal.
George Dodd
Adjudicator
8th February 2024
2240012301
AG4413741A
I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.