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52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Hi Hope all is well.

I received this PCN dated 1st August, yesterday (11th August). From what I understand I have only a couple of days to appeal this as I received it 11 days later. I realised the mistake I made only after entering the zone and being a one way street I had no option to reverse or turn around. There were also alot of road diversions in the area which added to a bit of confusion.

I've looked online to find a street view image but i'm not sure exactly where this location is.

Any help will be much appreciated

Thankyou

Alex Stassi

https://imgur.com/a/52m-rm1-Tir2nSg
« Last Edit: August 12, 2025, 11:32:52 am by seventhson1975 »

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Re: 52M Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Here, I think: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TRweEmtRL7UBZDsP8
However, GSV is not up-to-date, so the "Flying Motorbike" signs are not there.
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Re: 52M Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Here, I think: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TRweEmtRL7UBZDsP8
However, GSV is not up-to-date, so the "Flying Motorbike" signs are not there.

Ahh yes that looks like it from the video. Thankyou.

Re: 52M Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Here, I think: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/TRweEmtRL7UBZDsP8
However, GSV is not up-to-date, so the "Flying Motorbike" signs are not there.

Ahh yes that looks like it from the video. Thankyou.
Did you approach the signs head-on, or turn left into South St ?

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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I'm not sure can't remember

I've uploaded the video.

« Last Edit: August 12, 2025, 01:38:03 pm by seventhson1975 »

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Looks like a head-on approach, but the video doesn't show the signs you passed, so you could argue that their evidence of the alleged contravention, (the video), shows no contravention.
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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If this is the same road, it says no vehicles except for access? 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dzmtjV5X7AV4eybN6

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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So the video doesn't show the traffic signs and their visibility and condition on the day, the camera is sited after the signs and we're left to infer that any prohibited vehicle in shot must therefore by definition be in contravention because everything was hunky-dory with the signs on the day?

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If this is the same road, it says no vehicles except for access? 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/dzmtjV5X7AV4eybN6
Indeed it does, but their video of the alleged contravention doesn't show them.

The video is the sole evidence of the contravention. Of course if it gets to adjudication, and the lack of a view of the signs allegedly passed is pointed out by the appellant, the council would be under an obligation to show that the signs were there on the day and time of the contravention. Lack of basic evidence like this has often won appeals.

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-council-charge-notice-without-pcn/msg85265/#msg85265

Have a look at this please. Obviously, disregard the prices and the last sentence asking for the original PCN.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-council-charge-notice-without-pcn/msg85265/#msg85265

Have a look at this please. Obviously, disregard the prices and the last sentence asking for the original PCN.


Is this the part you mean?


1. This PCN is missing mandatory information. as provided at 4 (8 ) (v) of https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted


(v) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;



2. I make this collateral challenge regarding the wording of the sentence "If after...." Since the PCN omits mandatory information that the PCN must be paid by 28 days beginning with the date of the notice, the said statement therefore conflates the two distinct time periods and renders the PCN unclear and invalid.  In light of the above, please cancel.


Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Yes. I would also screenshot their website.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Really appreciate the help and responses.

So all I would need to do is quote the 2 paragraphs and attach the screenshot when appealing?

Would I need to mention that there isn't any signage in their photo or video evidence that shows any motor contravention?

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Screenshot of website? Can't see it.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 52M PCN. Havering: South St/ Eastern Road RM1
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Screenshot of website? Can't see it.

I attached it above... also uploaded