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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
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Hi, so received notification today that they received the Stat Dec, and the debt reg fee and charge cert surcharge are cancelled, however the original penalty charge stands at the rate of £130, reduced to £65 if i pay within 14 day (multiply by 3 for the 3 offences)

Is it now time to pay, or is there anything else i can do?

Thanks in advance...
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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #16 on: »
Show us the correspondence you have received please.
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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #17 on: »
attahced with some info redacated, if you need any of it i can provide just not sure how much to redact - thanks!

all 3 are identical, apart from the time / date and reference numbers

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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
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Was a copy of each PCN enclosed with the corresponding Order for Recovery?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #19 on: »
yes a copy was included with each on the order for recovery
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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #20 on: »
You need to give us the PCN number and the number plate please.

Also, is the council website requiring the full amount or have they extended the 50% discount?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #21 on: »
PCN EF95089182 EF95096927 EF95092926

REG WG22BHY

the website still states £130 on all 3 with the below message - i have 14 days from the service date of the letter being 13th July so 27th July is the deadlien to get the discount to £65

There is an outstanding charge of £130.00 for this Penalty Charge Notice. Please don't make more than 1 payment attempt, the payment may take up to an hour to update on the system.

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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #22 on: »
The videos look clear-cut:

EF95092926:


EF95089182:


EF95096927:


However if the discount is gone, there's no point in just paying now and there is one technical argument that could be pursued: the grounds for representations stated on the website don't match the legal grounds at all.

I'm happy to run the argument for you and if you're lucky something might turn up in the council's evidence pack for the tribunal. You certainly can't end up any worse off.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
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Quote from: bennjiboy on July 21, 2023, 10:27:23 am
the website still states £130 on all 3 with the below message - i have 14 days from the service date of the letter being 13th July so 27th July is the deadlien to get the discount to £65
The Notice of Rejection is dated 17 August 2022 so the discount expired on 1 September 2022, and there's nothing in the covering letter of 13 July 2023 to suggest the discount has been extended, on the contrary the letter explicitly says they now want £130 per PCN.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #24 on: »
yes i read it wrong on the discount.

if it goes to tribunal, do i have to attend, and if i lose what is the possible outcome?
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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #25 on: »
You don't have to attend (I can attend for you), and the worse possible outcome is that you have to pay the three penalties at the £130, which is the same position you're in now.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
« Reply #26 on: »
ok well it seems a no brainer that if you feel there is grounds for appeal where i cannot be worse off then happy to run with that.

what are the next steps please?
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Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
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I'll drop you a PM.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 3 PCN in 3 days for 52M Barnet
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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