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Hi All,

Lambeth gave a PCN for being parked in a single yellow. The vehicle was being used for loading purpose for business. However, the location at which the PCN was issued is Southwark.


Initial PCN + Evidence







Initial Representation



Notice of Rejection



Notice to Owner



Formal Represenations

The appeal for the above PCN is on the basis the contravention never occurred, for the below reasons.

Procedural Impropriety – Outside Jurisdiction


The exact location at which the PCN was issued, is part of Southwark (please see image below and also reflected in the evidence from the CEO – Evidence #1). The failure of Lambeth to provide evidence to that assertion on the initial informal appeal, indicates that there is no agreement with Southwark. This is further proven by an email from Southwark (Evidence #2) who categorically claim no other local authority has any agreement to issue PCNs on their behalf. As such the PCN issued by Lambeth is invalid and unenforceable.

Evidence #1 – Border of Lambeth and Southwark – Vehicle was categorically in Southwark (data from https://boroughs.dpope.uk/)





Evidence #2 – Email from Southwark Parking Department – 10th October 2024




Procedural Impropriety – Failure to Consider


Lambeth was clearly asked to provide an agreement with Southwark, which allows them issue PCNs on behalf of them. This was not considered or provided, and instead asserted that the CEO issued the PCN correctly, as a boilerplate response.

I would like draw attention to the following case: 2210280742

The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge when in Orford Road on 2 December 2020 at 14.01.
I have considered the evidence in this case and I have allowed this appeal, after some consideration, because I find that the Authority's Notice of Rejection does not consider the Appellant's representations and respond accordingly.

I find that the mere assertion that the contravention has been committed is insufficient.

To that extent I am not satisfied that the enforcement authority has discharged its duty under regulation 5(2)(b) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007, which is to consider the representations and any supporting evidence by the person making them.

In my judgment an Appellant is entitled to have the points they raise properly considered by the Enforcement Authority pursuant to its duty under regulation 5(2)(b). On this occasion the authority has failed to do this.
Regulation 4(4) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 provides the grounds on which representations may be made against a Notice to Owner.

Regulation 4(4)(f) states:
'that there has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the enforcement authority'
"Procedural impropriety" in this context means a failure by the enforcement authority to observe any requirement imposed by the Traffic Management Act 2004 or the General Regulations or Representations and Appeals Regulations. This includes, pursuant to Regulation 4(5)(a) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 the taking of any step, whether or not involving the service of any document, otherwise than in accordance with the conditions subject to which; or at the time or during the period when, it is authorised or required to be taken.
I find that the failure to consider the representations of the Appellant, to be a procedural impropriety as so defined.
Regulation 7(2) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 provides that if the Adjudicator concludes that a ground specified in Regulation 4(4) above applies, "he shall allow the appeal".
In light of this finding I am not required to determine any other matters in issue.


Loading/Unloading Restrictions

At the time of the alleged contravention, a large prepaid order was being loaded onto the car and a redacted invoice was provided to for the purpose of the business. The invoice was redacted for Data Protection purposes. For the purposes of specific appeal, we do not wish to reveal the details of the customer for this order, however we shall do so at the tribunal to provide evidence, should you choose to reject this appeal on above grounds.

I ask you cancel this PCN.


Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
« Last Edit: November 03, 2024, 08:23:48 pm by theeagleman »

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As you now have a Notice to Owner, the discount option has gone,  and say you can prove the vehicle was parked in a different council area, it is a total no-brainer to take them all the way to London Tribunal as the penalty remains the same and there are no additional costs.


As you now have a Notice to Owner, the discount option has gone,  and say you can prove the vehicle was parked in a different council area, it is a total no-brainer to take them all the way to London Tribunal as the penalty remains the same and there are no additional costs.

Yep, I am prepared to take this all the way, and have irrefutable proof. Had my fair share of dealing with London Tribunals (for myself and others), and thankfully so far it has been reasonably successful (11/12 success)  :)

Lambeth know themselves as well this is outside of their jurisdiction and their evidence clearly points to it. Furthermore, I do have proof of loading, and it was very convinient, the CEO took photos of the front seating, but not of the back seating...

But I would want to use the outside jurisdiction matter as the main point of contention.

I think you're home and dry on jurisdiction but I've noticed something odd from the mapping data.

The first shot is Lambeth showing the boundary and traffic orders only on the west side and not where you were so all good. The big block is the bus stop.

The second shot is Southwark showing double yellow lines but the single yellow you were on is just not there. The blocked out side roads indicate adopted highway and it occurs to me that Gipsy Hill being on the boundary may belong to Lambeth but I don't know how boundary roads are apportioned. The order for the Southwark double yellows reference the side roads not Gipsy Hill.



The side where the PCN was issued, Southwark deal with the maintance. This includes the bins taken, streets cleaned and street lamps (where the time plate is placed) fixed. In the past, Southwark have given PCNs at this location also.

Interesting mention of the double yellows, which are on the side roads, but no mention of a single yellow at all. This single yellow has been in place for over 15 years now though, from my understanding.
There was no restrictions prior to that.
Does that mean the SYL is potentially invalid ?  ;)


Don't confuse geographical and municipal boundaries with the badge of who appears to be providing services.

It's standard practice where boundaries are common for one authority to provide services for another on a contracted basis(sometimes quite loose). Lambeth may clean Southwark streets on behalf of Southwark and vice versa. Similarly with parking enforcement.

HOWEVER, a PCN issued under an agency agreement must state who is the enforcement authority. There is no suggestion here that Lambeth are acting on behalf of Southwark, therefore municipal boundaries are the key.

Don't confuse geographical and municipal boundaries with the badge of who appears to be providing services.

It's standard practice where boundaries are common for one authority to provide services for another on a contracted basis(sometimes quite loose). Lambeth may clean Southwark streets on behalf of Southwark and vice versa. Similarly with parking enforcement.

HOWEVER, a PCN issued under an agency agreement must state who is the enforcement authority. There is no suggestion here that Lambeth are acting on behalf of Southwark, therefore municipal boundaries are the key.

Got it, thanks. 

Lambeth believe (as per the informal NoR) that it indeed within their jurisdiction, but the munipical boundaries are clear (at least for me).

The mapping sites I got the info from are geographic information systems run by Lambeth and Southwark. But they are general systems and we much prefer the dedicated traffic systems (Traffweb) that we can access for some authorities (eg Barnet, Hackney, Lewisham).

So they may not be complete/up to date. You may find out in going on if Lambeth does in fact 'own' that yellow line. Or more likely they don't/can't find anything and you win.

The mapping sites I got the info from are geographic information systems run by Lambeth and Southwark. But they are general systems and we much prefer the dedicated traffic systems (Traffweb) that we can access for some authorities (eg Barnet, Hackney, Lewisham).

So they may not be complete/up to date. You may find out in going on if Lambeth does in fact 'own' that yellow line. Or more likely they don't/can't find anything and you win.

I am hoping it is indeed the latter.

Also, it would certainly be strange that Lambeth 'own' that line, but do not own the DYL which they attach onto, on the same side.

Also, there is a loading exemption also in play - as a redacted (address redacted, but company letter headed) invoice was provided from the business, but a full one can be provided if need be.

As I said Gipsy Hill is not an adopted road and the double yellow are not assigned to Gipsy Hill but to the adopted side roads.

The systems:

https://geomap.southwark.gov.uk/connect/analyst/mobile/#/main

https://streets.appyway.com/lambeth

As I said Gipsy Hill is not an adopted road and the double yellow are not assigned to Gipsy Hill but to the adopted side roads.

The systems:

https://geomap.southwark.gov.uk/connect/analyst/mobile/#/main

https://streets.appyway.com/lambeth


Thanks for the links.



Formal Represenations

The appeal for the above PCN is on the basis the contravention never occurred, for the below reasons.

Procedural Impropriety – Outside Jurisdiction


The exact location at which the PCN was issued, is part of Southwark (please see image below and also reflected in the evidence from the CEO – Evidence #1). The failure of Lambeth to provide evidence to that assertion on the initial informal appeal, indicates that there is no agreement with Southwark. This is further proven by an email from Southwark (Evidence #2) who categorically claim no other local authority has any agreement to issue PCNs on their behalf. As such the PCN issued by Lambeth is invalid and unenforceable.

Evidence #1 – Border of Lambeth and Southwark – Vehicle was categorically in Southwark (data from https://boroughs.dpope.uk/)





Evidence #2 – Email from Southwark Parking Department – 10th October 2024




Procedural Impropriety – Failure to Consider


Lambeth was clearly asked to provide an agreement with Southwark, which allows them issue PCNs on behalf of them. This was not considered or provided, and instead asserted that the CEO issued the PCN correctly, as a boilerplate response.

I would like draw attention to the following case: 2210280742

The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge when in Orford Road on 2 December 2020 at 14.01.
I have considered the evidence in this case and I have allowed this appeal, after some consideration, because I find that the Authority's Notice of Rejection does not consider the Appellant's representations and respond accordingly.

I find that the mere assertion that the contravention has been committed is insufficient.

To that extent I am not satisfied that the enforcement authority has discharged its duty under regulation 5(2)(b) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007, which is to consider the representations and any supporting evidence by the person making them.

In my judgment an Appellant is entitled to have the points they raise properly considered by the Enforcement Authority pursuant to its duty under regulation 5(2)(b). On this occasion the authority has failed to do this.
Regulation 4(4) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 provides the grounds on which representations may be made against a Notice to Owner.

Regulation 4(4)(f) states:
'that there has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the enforcement authority'
"Procedural impropriety" in this context means a failure by the enforcement authority to observe any requirement imposed by the Traffic Management Act 2004 or the General Regulations or Representations and Appeals Regulations. This includes, pursuant to Regulation 4(5)(a) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 the taking of any step, whether or not involving the service of any document, otherwise than in accordance with the conditions subject to which; or at the time or during the period when, it is authorised or required to be taken.
I find that the failure to consider the representations of the Appellant, to be a procedural impropriety as so defined.
Regulation 7(2) of the Civil Enforcement of Parking Contraventions (England) Representations and Appeals Regulations 2007 provides that if the Adjudicator concludes that a ground specified in Regulation 4(4) above applies, "he shall allow the appeal".
In light of this finding I am not required to determine any other matters in issue.


Loading/Unloading Restrictions

At the time of the alleged contravention, a large prepaid order was being loaded onto the car and a redacted invoice was provided to for the purpose of the business. The invoice was redacted for Data Protection purposes. For the purposes of specific appeal, we do not wish to reveal the details of the customer for this order, however we shall do so at the tribunal to provide evidence, should you choose to reject this appeal on above grounds.

I ask you cancel this PCN.


Any further thoughts of anyone on this, but I am happy to submit as is.

Thanks

IMO, you're going about this wrongly.

Their response to your initial reps states that they've considered your points. I don't see that they have to go into extensive detail, by implication if they have then they reject the core of your argument i.e. that Lambeth are not the enforcement authority for the location.

You don't need to go at this indirectly. If you're correct, then you win(eventually) and they lose.

There are 2 limbs to your argument IMO:
1. The location is not situated within the enforcement authority's area i.e. it is situated within the London Borough of Southwark. The London Borough of Lambeth council is therefore prevented from demanding penalties under the Traffic Management Act.

2. If the location falls within the borough of Lambeth then the contravention did not occur because at the time of contravention the driver was engaged in an excepted activity namely *****.

As regards 1, your evidence is *********

As regards 2, your evidence is ******.


Thanks for the comments.

Then I will just go on the following:

Procedural Impropriety – Outside Jurisdiction

The exact location at which the PCN was issued, is part of Southwark (please see image below and also reflected in the evidence from the CEO – Evidence #1). The failure of Lambeth to provide evidence to that assertion on the initial informal appeal, indicates that there is no agreement with Southwark. This is further proven by an email from Southwark (Evidence #2) who categorically claim no other local authority has any agreement to issue PCNs on their behalf. As such the PCN issued by Lambeth is invalid and unenforceable.

Evidence 1: Map of borders, address of businesses which show it is in Southwark and email from Southwark

Loading/Unloading Restrictions

At the time of the alleged contravention, a large prepaid order was being loaded onto the car and a redacted invoice was provided to for the purpose of the business. The invoice was redacted for Data Protection purposes. However, please see attached with only redacted name (but address still showing).

Evidence 2: semi-redacted invoice (address only, but name redacted) - or should the full underacted invoice be supplied?


I will leave out failure to consider and any accompanying case for that.
So will keep it simple.