3. (PCN) NJ41731881 London borough of Hounslow Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction where prohibited
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Re: (PCN) NJ41731881 London borough of Hounslow Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction where prohibited
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After having failed to properly consider your representations, the council have even less of a leg to stand on. They are just hoping you'll be scared into paying, which is at best disingenuous as there's clearly no contravention shown in the video.

You will have to risk the full sum to take this to adjudication, but I'm confident that you'll end up with nothing to pay. Check what others say first, but I think the best course of action is for you to follow the instructions on the NTO about appealing to the adjudicator and simply tell them that you 'rely on the representations perviously made to the Council and the Council's failure to properly consider them'. Choose a telephone/online/or in person hearing, not an 'on the papers' ruling.

The Council will then have to prepare an evidence pack for the adjudicators, at which point they will be forced to actually look at the video that shows no contravention. They may well fold and offer no evidence, meaning you win (and the Council has to pay an adjudication fee).
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As above. I will drop you a PM if you want me to repsrent you free of charge.
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Re: (PCN) NJ41731881 London borough of Hounslow Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction where prohibited
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We are! Filed.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2025, 03:09:51 pm by Hippocrates »
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If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

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Re: (PCN) NJ41731881 London borough of Hounslow Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction where prohibited
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 ;D  ;D  ;D PCN validity. Decision tomorrow.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: (PCN) NJ41731881 London borough of Hounslow Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction where prohibited
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Any comments on whether a contravention even occurred?
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We discussed it yes.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: (PCN) NJ41731881 London borough of Hounslow Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction where prohibited
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An absolutely basic error that surely must exist in a lot of council PCNs in the whole of the UK, I would think !
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Quote from: Incandescent on July 23, 2025, 01:20:47 am
An absolutely basic error that surely must exist in a lot of council PCNs in the whole of the UK, I would think !

This council and Haringey have the same wording in this context; but, I also pointed out the following:

PCN does not state mandatory information at 4.8 (v)

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;


They also said the  date of PCN and date served are the same. Totally absurd.  ::)
« Last Edit: July 23, 2025, 10:05:11 am by Hippocrates »
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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